Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Roar87]

If UK votes to leave the last thing anyone will be worried about in 5 - 10 years will immigration, that is for sure.

I know, the Russians will be invading, the economy will be something similar to the Democratic Republic of the Congo and all our houses will be worth about 20p

 

[awaybreaktoday]

I know, the Russians will be invading, the economy will be something similar to the Democratic Republic of the Congo and all our houses will be worth about 20p

That would be awesome if houses where worth 20p.

 

[Locky]

If UK votes to leave the last thing anyone will be worried about in 5 - 10 years will immigration, that is for sure.

Please tell me more about your crystal ball...

 

[RaohNS]

I know, the Russians will be invading, the economy will be something similar to the Democratic Republic of the Congo and all our houses will be worth about 20p

Don't forget ISIS invasion, war in Europe and the aliens. Remain say its gonna happen!

Nessie will also return to kill us if we leave too... Think about that Scotland

 

[platypus]

That would be awesome if houses where worth 20p.

No, it would be a disaster.

 

[Mr Jack]

Looking at historical figures though, isn't it about 33% of immigrants stay and settle, whereas 66% go home?

Do you have a source for these figures, Freakbro? I'd be interested to see them.

 

[Crpwned]

Don't forget ISIS invasion, war in Europe and the aliens. Remain say its gonna happen!

Wait, wasn't that the leave camps rhetoric, that if we remain then we'll be ISIS'd up to the eyeballs with unchecked migration etc.
I can never remember which scare mongering stories come from which side these days

 

[RaohNS]

I agree that tax evasion is a problem, along with criminal bankers, the sell off of public services, outsourcing, underfunding of the NHS, hundreds of millions of £ being used to prop up the high end London property market...

But what's that got to do to EU movement of people? They're not the ones engaging in massive tax avoidance. Why did you bring it up?

Because someone else mentioned it so I discussed in in the context of enforcing both our positions. Nothing wrong with that.

When we leave the EU we will see what the benefits are. At the moment we know and all arguments are easily retorted.

 

[awaybreaktoday]

As I said I only care about money in my pocket and don't give dam about immigration numbers. Immigration numbers does not effect my way of life or 99% on this forum, it only effects unemployed bums.

 

[RaohNS]

Non-EU?

I can provide directly conflicting anecdotal evidence. I can understand being peed off with the scenario you describe but it seems clear to me that the issue isn't with the people it is that the bursary was cut (unrelated?) and when considered in conjunction with that, it's easy to point fingers and say "look at the money that was spent on immigrants and now the bursary is cut". That shouldn't be a reason to suddenly decide that immigration is the problem.

I know a huge number of EU immigrants working in highly professional fields - IT, engineering, manufacturing, transport, consultancy etc and they all contribute to NI and tax just like everyone else in the UK. I also know a large number of immigrants are employed in non-professional industries, retail, service industries, catering etc - they also pay their taxes and NI contributions.

In fact, in the wider picture and given the general work ethic of a lot of immigrants, I would go so far as to say that the proportion that do not contribute to society is lower than the proportion native people who are a drain on the system. In either case, they are both a significant minority in the grand scale of things.

So? It's money they earned after providing a service to an industry and doing a job, paying their fair taxes and NI - are you saying they can't do what they want with it? What about British expats sending money back to Britain working tax free in the middle east? Should they not be allowed to do the same?

Will you be saying that the produce or products we buy should only be natively produced and that buying things from overseas is bad? Should we stop trading with other countries because after all, it's money gone from the UK...

edit: also, the figures in question are trivial when looked at in relation to the overall economy.

True enough.

Non-EU migrants do have higher birth rates. As we could say EU migrants also. The overall birthrate to foreign born women is almost a third out of a comparatively small population?

A huge number eh?

My point draws from if we need this skill why not invest in our young people? There are many such examples of this, healthcare is by far the biggest in my view and likely facts support this somewhere given the number employed.

I'm not saying they can't spend as they like that would be stupid nit to mention a little bit protectionist of my. The link and element to consider is to invest in our young people. I work with many kids each year who are openly disenfranchised by their prospects. When they see the realistic only jobs they can access going to mainly foreign workers it does a lot to their mind. A lot of my cohorts years ago used to moan about Kosovans in warehousing so they upskilled with engineering or electronic engineering. Most got jobs, some didn't but there were migrants working there.

No issue with that other than I have (working in education) seen a portion of a generation shunned.

With buying products from overseas we know they are needed. Heck the UK couldn't feed itself unless people grew their own fruit and veg to supplement what is their normal intake.

I'm coming at it from I believe in our young people and our workforce. Why don't others and why don't businesses pay a fair wage?

 

[Freakbro]

Do you have a source for these figures, Freakbro? I'd be interested to see them.

I was tentatively using that as a questionable statement as I wasn't sure, but after a little looking around I can't find anything obvious to corroberate it.

On reflection I get the feeling it was to do with refugees not economic migrants.

 

[RaohNS]

Wait, wasn't that the leave camps rhetoric, that if we remain then we'll be ISIS'd up to the eyeballs with unchecked migration etc.
I can never remember which scare mongering stories come from which side these days

Remain said: IsIS have said they will be glad if we leave supports what they want etc

Leave said: Being in the EU with free movement leaves us vulnerable.

Remain are probably more worried by this fact as we have seen it in action so this is not scaremongering from the leave side unfortunately. This is a fact.

 

[asim18]

So the other day I heard David Cameron say that there will be less "terror" if we stay in the EU. I'm a little confused at how this works? How can it be that some terrorist who is planning an attack is simply going to be like "oh crap UK is in EU we have to abort"???

Seems bizarre, and David Cameron's BS seems to be growing astronomically.

 

[Vipa66]

Don't forget ISIS invasion, war in Europe and the aliens. Remain say its gonna happen!

Nessie will also return to kill us if we leave too... Think about that Scotland

War between Russia and NATO is not as far fetched as you think, although us being in or out of Club EU won't make a jot of difference there!

 

[Crpwned]

Remain said: IsIS have said they will be glad if we leave supports what they want etc

Leave said: Being in the EU with free movement leaves us vulnerable.

Remain are probably more worried by this fact as we have seen it in action so this is not scaremongering from the leave side unfortunately. This is a fact.

Thank god the leave side can implement that 'Are you a terrorist' check box in their new immigration policy scheme if they get what they want

Genuine question, if we did leave would all the current information sharing agreements still exist between us and the european intelligence agencies etc.
Apologies if it was brought up in the previous threads.

 

[Cleisthenes]

Undecided still

 

[asim18]

Genuine question, if we did leave would all the current information sharing agreements still exist between us and the european intelligence agencies etc.
Apologies if it was brought up in the previous threads.

We still have intelligence sharing with the USA and they're not in the EU, therefore it'll be complete BS if they say brexit is cause for intelligence agencies and law enforcement to stop working together.

 

[Mr Jack]

We still have intelligence sharing with the USA and they're not in the EU, therefore it'll be complete BS if they say brexit is cause for intelligence agencies and law enforcement to stop working together.

We have a better and greater degree of co-operation within the EU than than we have with the US, as well as tools such as the European Arrest Warrant which are superior to extradition. Since these things are underpinned by EU agreements, it's totally unclear how much they would survive Brexit. So although it's in everyone's interest to continue co-operating and it's very likely there will be some sharing, etc. post-Brexit it's reasonable to think that it will be lesser and less effective.

Oh, and seems like a good time to point out once again that terrorism is less of a threat in the EU and the UK than it used to be:

The number of terrorist incidents has gone down, not up, and the number of people getting killed by terrorism has gone down, not up.

 

[StriderX]

We have a better and greater degree of co-operation within the EU than than we have with the US, as well as tools such as the European Arrest Warrant which are superior to extradition. Since these things are underpinned by EU agreements, it's totally unclear how much they would survive Brexit. So although it's in everyone's interest to continue co-operating and it's very likely there will be some sharing, etc. post-Brexit it's reasonable to think that it will be lesser and less effective.

Oh, and seems like a good time to point out once again that terrorism is less of a threat in the EU and the UK than it used to be:

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The number of terrorist incidents has gone down, not up, and the number of people getting killed by terrorism has gone down, not up.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps the difference here that might be important is that prior to the 90s, it was mostly homegrown terrorists (of which there plenty...all but disappeared).

The IRA wasn't stopped by the EU, so why is this important?

 

[asim18]

We have a better and greater degree of co-operation within the EU than than we have with the US, as well as tools such as the European Arrest Warrant which are superior to extradition. Since these things are underpinned by EU agreements, it's totally unclear how much they would survive Brexit. So although it's in everyone's interest to continue co-operating and it's very likely there will be some sharing, etc. post-Brexit it's reasonable to think that it will be lesser and less effective.

Oh, and seems like a good time to point out once again that terrorism is less of a threat in the EU and the UK than it used to be:

The number of terrorist incidents has gone down, not up, and the number of people getting killed by terrorism has gone down, not up.

Erm the question was about "Intelligence sharing" Not arrest warrants nor extradition, nor the number of people killed by terrorists.

We all know the USA is the best possible ally for intelligence sharing because they are allowed to look at the data even our own government isn't allowed to look at. Not to mention the fact that the USA has pretty much infiltrated the entire internet as we know it. EU is useless for intelligence, it gets it all from the USA anyway.