Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Whoever runs for a general election and wants to implement a manifesto may as well tear up the manifesto because they will have to cater a manifesto to fit in and be overruled from above so there's no point even voting anymore.

It's scary to me that so many people cant grasp this simple democratic thing and just shows some people shouldn't be allowed to vote.
But then I'd imagine most remainers are middle class in secure not under threat from migration jobs or first/second gen migrants who hate the british.
 
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w1lliam said:
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We now have the European Union Act of 2011, the act that guarantees us a referendum on amendments to treaties & new treaties.

We did not have that 40 years ago, we are not the same country we were and it's high time you realised that.
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you say that, but they never gave us a referendum on previous treaties, labour and tony Blair never gave us a referendum although he preached he would. They then went back on that pledge saying that the lisbon treaty did not constitute a referendum. Cameron never gave us one in their first year when it was one of their key manifesto pledges. They pretty much gave us our token referendum now since they think they can shut us up about any more if people vote remain.

Which is why voting to leave is the only option since they never want to give us this option again.
 
He can hold talks over it as much as he likes but until they fulfill all of the requirements its just not going to happen.
 
Migration concerns has nothing to do with racism, but realism.

Net migration of over 330'000 people to the UK in 2015. How is the country supposed to cope with that? And why should it? We are already at the stage of overpopulation - you just have to look at the number of houses being turned in to flats to see that people are settling for less personal space. Are we just going to sit back and let things play out, watch our beautiful countryside disappear for the sake of having more people and a higher GDP? Can anyone else see a bubble forming here and imagine what it is going to be like when a more attractive country comes along for economic migrants to move to.
 
Raymond Lin said:
It's the idea of it, the we don't want anything to do with Europe, we can do it on our own etc.

It's not fear mongering, I said nothing of sort, it's just I prefer a place where people are not afraid of others come take their jobs or in your words, uncontrolled immigration...which I think is fear mongering.

Plus there is no arguing economics with someone who has 2 PHD in economics.
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uncontrolled immigration is not fear mongering when you are one of the people who are having to compete with the increased population in your area. As well as wages at the low end being kept down since companies employ foreign workers at minimum wage since they know they will take the jobs. Even if the person is being paid less than a living wage.

It doesn't matter what qualification someone has, what matters is their interests. Since those who make the most out of the europe will of course be vying for people to vote remain and will scaremonger as much as possible to get their way. Since it is in their interest to keep business as usual since they get the most of out us being in the EU while the common Brit is left with the short end of the stick.

Yes the economy will take a hit at first, but only a small number of businesses trade with the EU. And large companies that are already setup here came to the uk with a reason in the first place, since it was cheaper for them to setup shop here compared to doing it on the continent. They are not going to suddenly shut up shop, reinvest millions in moving to the continent, to then end up paying more in taxes to run from the continent.
 
A little help here if you would GD as I'm not used to dissecting this stuff. I was looking through some stuff relating to science and the EU, there's a report by the Royal Society regarding the role of the EU in international research, Figure 5 here has a chart (a doughnut chart apparently) showing co-authored papers. It shows 73.35% as having no co-authors from outside the EU, which looks good for the EU, yet in the Thomson Reuters press release (I don't mean to suggest it's not in the Royal Society report) they say:
UK Researchers Are Collaborating Internationally More Frequently: Of the 1.6 million research papers published by UK authors between 2005 and 2014, 36.8 percent were internationally co-authored. This compares with roughly 90 percent of UK research papers including only UK authors in 1981.​

So would that indicate that 63.2% of the UK papers are from UK only authors and could that be applied as its own outer-doughnut field to the chart published by the Royal Society, or am I mixing the data up?
 
Mauller said:
And large companies that are already setup here came to the uk with a reason in the first place, since it was cheaper for them to setup shop here compared to doing it on the continent. They are not going to suddenly shut up shop, reinvest millions in moving to the continent, to then end up paying more in taxes to run from the continent.
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So they'll just move to Ireland where they will pay less tax than in the UK and still benefit from no-tariff trade with the EU.
 
Gogl said:
So would that indicate that 63.2% of the UK papers are from UK only authors and could that be applied as its own outer-doughnut field to the chart published by the Royal Society, or am I mixing the data up?
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From a quick glance at the two I think the 'doughnut' is basically the 36.8% internationally co-authored papers stat from the Reuters report broken down by where the various co-authors come from, or not.
 
Rilot said:
So they'll just move to Ireland where they will pay less tax than in the UK and still benefit from no-tariff trade with the EU.
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And if it was such an enticing prospect, they would have done it in the first place. For some companies it is also a matter of talent in certain sectors as well as the size of the UK's economy. Then you also have to consider customers as well.
 
Rilot said:
So they'll just move to Ireland where they will pay less tax than in the UK and still benefit from no-tariff trade with the EU.
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Apple and Intel have already based their European operations in Ireland. I can foresee more tech firms following suit on a leave result. Perhaps not those with an established European presence but certainly the next generation of giants.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
As someone who is part Italian, who has family and property there and who's native tongue is Italian, I would like to know what you guys think caused Italy to go into this sorry state. I have a good idea and in my opinion little of it is actually the EU's fault. Most Italians i speak to share a similar opinion, i cant really fathom why the EU is getting the blame in the UK.
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Because tax avoidance is a game there.
 
izzop said:
If true & legit, this certainly won't be broadcast on any major UK news outlets.
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You were saying? :p

*sees the story on every UK news outlet*

You can take that tin foil hat off now ;)

Edit : I love the way you even link to it yourself now 2 posts down! Lol
 
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Mr Jack said:
Spain is growing faster than the UK and has done for the last 18 months, Portugal has add positive GDP growth for the last two years, Italy for the last year, but Greece is still struggling although it's dept-to-GDP has stabilised and even fallen a little. Youth unemployment has fallen in all four (although it's still unacceptably high). Meanwhile, the ECB has finally started taking measures such as Quantitative Easing to start to bring recovery to the Eurozone.

So, yeah, the situation isn't great, but it is beginning to get better across all four of the PIGS nations and Ireland, which was being talked about in the same breath, has hit a 9% (!) annual GDP growth figure in the last quarter.
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PIGS, is that why Cameron is so fond of the EU.
 
Nate--IRL-- said:
Why would you expect the February deal to be renegotiated?

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I don't and never have.

Any form of reform from within is now going to be incredibly difficult if not almost impossible. But we keep being told that we're better off within the EU to carry out the reform.

Does the Remain camp really believe that after Thursday and having won, that this country will have any chance of getting any reform? I certainly don't, any credibility or leverage the UK had within the EU will be very much diminished.

No new reform deal for UK after vote, Jean Claude Juncker warns
 
Tunney said:
Apple and Intel have already based their European operations in Ireland. I can foresee more tech firms following suit on a leave result. Perhaps not those with an established European presence but certainly the next generation of giants.
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And us staying in would have stopped Apple/Intel from moving to Ireland how?
 
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