I'm fully aware of that and don't expect it!
The way he came across and it's been reported is that there is No Renegotiation/Reform evermore.
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I'm fully aware of that and don't expect it!
The way he came across and it's been reported is that there is No Renegotiation/Reform evermore.
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Reform and change of the EU as it stands today!
David Cameron is a firm believer, along with many others telling the public:
Well it was made very clear today, that that isn't the case.
Juncker is hilarious. Everything he says is bad for him (Not that he'll ever be held accountable of course). He's said that he doesn't care if he's un-democratic and he won't shut up about the European army. Please Juncker, get off Twitter for your own good.
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Sorry to disappoint! I think it comes with spending a certain amount of time working in the city and around the world then realising how messed up things really are.
I really thought we'd get a pledge today for reform of the EU. Tusk hinted at it but Juncker seems to want none of it and is calling our bluff. Bad move given the contagion working its way through the EU. Sad times.
Demanding special treatment, at the eleventh hour and under a threat of a self-inflicted referendum and political context behind it, that favours one member state, but wouldn't actually address any major treaty issues -- with special exemptions, considerable power and an agreed deal already working for the benefit of said member state -- isn't reforming the EU, now is it? It's sabotage and shockingly bad diplomatic form!
Hiltons of the world want 'massive and destructive' revolutions, but they hardly ever the ones to pay for them nor the ones building a future in their aftermarth. Frankly, I'm tired of the magic unicorn thinking offered as the sole plan for our departure from the EU and place in the world post-Brexit.Hence, 'Stay and build or out is out.' The public will decide.
Juncker wasn't stating anything outlandish: any deals requiring major rework of the EU, for either socialist or conservative goals, would require treaty changes; such treaty changes cannot possibly be achieved at this very moment, considering the negotiations, legal complexity and further referendums in several states which would need to take place (The Lisbon Treaty took what 6/8 years in all?). It doesn't mean they cannot be achieved however, as pretty much every EU treaty to date attests to.
Commissioners and Governments come and go, but the negotiating framework, the expert staff and the basic rules of the club which don't need to be re-inveted from zero, remain -- precisely why the EU is so valuable as an international forum of dialogue and compromise.
Shout the Brexiteers might, but a unified alternative to this forum and vision -- planned, costed and honest -- is what the saboteurs cannot offer, and that's why they'll fail as they've failed before.
You honestly don't believe the words you type, do you? You really think the government will deny the will of the public?
Two words: Political suicide.
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There is no need for it to be legally binding - it's not necessary. If the result is leave we leave. The fact it isn't against the law to ignore the result doesn't mean that's what will happen. The paranoia here is just ridiculous.
No he made it clear that there would be no renegotiation of the deal agreed in february. Future reform and changes are not in that statement. We will have more influence in the way the EU goes and reforms if we are a major part of it, rather than being a member of the EEA (as an example).
This referendum has dome one major thing for me. Made me realise we (as a country) actually need to take membership of the EU more seriously. That means elect MEPs that are actually going to be part of the decision/legislative system and negotiate on our behalf, rather than a load of joker UKIP MEPs, alongside other bits and pieces.
I don't know we sent UKIP pretty obvious sign a fair few of us were displeased. Then voted conservatives in because they offered a referendum. Then Cameron goes and fails to get any real concessions.
If such a show of "we're unhappy" can't get change will working with them actually change much? Why would anything be different this time round. Everything that makes the leavers angry is still going to be there if anything may get worse.
I'm voting in regardless.
If such a show of "we're unhappy" can't get change will working with them actually change much? Why would anything be different this time round. Everything that makes the leavers angry is still going to be there if anything may get worse.
I'm voting in regardless.
To stand alone in 1940 surrounded by enemies was heroic
To choose to stand alone in 2016 surrounded by friends is absurd
If 'in times past' you mean last Thursday then it seems this moronic view point isn't just restricted to the past but is still around today.
Not sure about the validity of posting rhetoric with 'traitors' and 'execution' in it but I wouldn't expect anything less from you.
I agree with the sentiment of a couple of Leave posters above, whoever wins today, as a country we should just accept the result, be committed and and throw ourselves behind it and continue keeping this country a Great place to be in the world.
All I ask from the Leave side is if Remain wins, please let's get more involved in EU politics as it is important, and exercise the democratic rights you have and vote for your MEP - that you do have more influence over than voting for your MP
And let's choose MEPs who will stand up for our interests and work with the rest of the EU, rather than the stupid protest vote we use it for atm and vote in people who don't engage in and vote against our national interests!
Anyway, good luck everyone, may the best side win
Which is us of course
All I ask from the Leave side is if Remain wins, please let's get more involved in EU politics as it is important, and exercise the democratic rights you have and vote for your MEP - that you do have more influence over than voting for your MP
And let's choose MEPs who will stand up for our interests and work with the rest of the EU, rather than the stupid protest vote we use it for atm and vote in people who don't engage in and vote against our national interests!
Anyway, good luck everyone, may the best side win
Which is us of course
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Those numbers in the bottom right look suspiciously low.
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