Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[Gilly]

Who do you support in the Ryder Cup?

I've only ever watched it once, and that was by accident

The chance is not high at all. There haven't been any mass migrations to the UK since the Vikings. Even their impact is not significant. The biggest migration with real impact was 1600 years ago.

Are you sure? With 10% of the UK (6 million people) currently having at least one Irish grandparent that seems a stretch. Not to mention the million Irish that came here during the potato famine.

How much of the mid-1900s construction and labour would have been done without the Irish?

 

[Schlong&Stable]

So in 1000 years the chances of having anyone outside England in his blood, including Ireland, Scotland and Wales is insignificant?

Dem pure-bred pedigrees

Historically people did not move around a lot, so before the industrial revolution the chances of mixing is small. Post the revolution, it still wasn't "high" as there were industrial centres within Scotland, Wales and Ireland anyway.

That said I must confess I was thinking of this in a British context, rather than an explicitly English context. I don't really regard the Scottish, English, Welsh and Irish as distinct ethnic groups, but instead part of a greater British ethnic group. The national borders do not actually reflect the ethnic distribution of those historic groups anyway.

Are you sure? With 10% of the UK (6 million people) currently having at least one Irish grandparent that seems a stretch. Not to mention the million Irish that came here during the potato famine.

How much of the mid-1900s construction and labour would have been done without the Irish?

Well as I said, I was thinking of this in a British context and I would argue that the Irish are part of that British ethnic group: despite their profuse disagreement. I was therefore speaking of those from outside the the UK and Ireland.

 

[deuse]

Well obviously you are not going to answer because my point is relevant but is just in the context of you and me. I can rephrase it to includ the eu and be more general.

'Since we have been discussing ethnicity of what makes you English for the last xx posts, why is that relevant to the discussion of the EU? Some people have all the rights of an English person but are not considered English by you. Do you think leaving the EU might lead to the UK imposing restriction on non Ethnically local Citizens, for there are many.'

Happy?

Just start a new thread for all in this forum to answer.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Just start a new thread for all in this forum to answer.

Mods are getting pretty sick of people starting eu threads.

 

[Tosno]

So how much blood ancestry do you need to be "ethnically English". Both parents English? One? What about a single grandparent?

Both parents. My son has one parent English, he's Anglo-Slavic.

 

[Boycey0211]

Don't think it's 1000 years dude. There are 7 generation's alive in our whole family.

Anyway back to the EU please.

You do know what a generation is don't you?

Unless you've all been breeding at an extremely young age I find that pretty far fetched, not impossible though.

in fact, congratulations! You're not far off being a world record holder!!!!!!!!!!

The most generations alive in a single family has been seven. The youngest great-great-great-great-grandparent being Augusta Bunge (USA) aged 109 years 97 days, followed by her daughter aged 89, her grand-daughter aged 70, her great-grand-daughter aged 52, her great-great grand-daughter aged 33 and her great-great-great grand-daughter aged 15 on the birth of her great-great-great-great grandson on 21 January 1989.

 

[PlacidCasual]

Prior to mass migration in the 1950's 75% of the "British Genome" could be traced back to the 1000-2000 hunter gatherers who crossed the land bridge at the end of the last ice age. All the "invasions" since then hugenots, normans, romans, vikings, angles, saxons, celts etc, only made up 25%. Although within that there were specific tribal genome for geographical areas. So if you had no foreign ancestors in the last 100 years you are mostly likely mostly related to some pre-german hunter gathers that crossed dogger bank 10-15,000 years ago. That is based on measurable genetic differences.

And it has nothing to do with the EU debate.

 

[Avenged7Fold]

And it has nothing to do with the EU debate.

My point from the start.

 

[platypus]

My point from the start.

Your problem was trying to debate with the thickest wall of them all.

 

[Tunney]

Historically people did not move around a lot, so before the industrial revolution the chances of mixing is small. Post the revolution, it still wasn't "high" as there were industrial centres within Scotland, Wales and Ireland anyway.

This is a myth.

People have always moved around a lot. How do you think people got to the British isles in the first place? Why do you think that there's so many white people in America, South Africa and Australasia? There's nothing new about the migration of people.

The whole idea of British blood is nonsense. We're a mongrel people - part Roman, part German, part Scandinavian, part French plus lots of other bits and pieces.

 

[Zethor]

Your problem was trying to debate with the thickest wall of them all.

Lol

 

[deuse]

You do know what a generation is don't you?

Unless you've all been breeding at an extremely young age I find that pretty far fetched, not impossible though.

in fact, congratulations! You're not far off being a world record holder!!!!!!!!!!

Young dude, well starting age of 19-20.
We all come from a big family. My old man was 1 of 13 and my moms dad was 1 of 14

I hate doing Christmas cards

edit=just been put right by my Aunt it's only 6 gens not 7. My bad.

 

[TheMightyTen]

The whole idea of British blood is nonsense. We're a mongrel people - part Roman, part German, part Scandinavian, part French plus lots of other bits and pieces.

Not deuse, he's 100% pure bred German economic migrant with a full pedigree list of his families terrorist and rape history

 

[Avenged7Fold]

Young dude, well starting age of 19-20.
We all come from a big family. My old man was 1 of 13 and my moms dad was 1 of 14

I hate doing Christmas cards

edit=just been put right by my Aunt it's only 6 gens not 7. My bad.

7 was quite a claim. Not trying to discredit you, so i ask this purely out of curiosity, since that is pretty rare: What relation to you is the youngest and oldest generation of your living family?

Must be mad having them over for dinner

 

[Schlong&Stable]

This is a myth.

No, it's not a myth at all. Do you really need me to start citing historians who agree with me?

People have always moved around a lot. How do you think people got to the British isles in the first place? Why do you think that there's so many white people in America, South Africa and Australasia? There's nothing new about the migration of people.

Is this a joke? I didn't say people did not move at all, I said it wasn't common. Of course there were periods of colonisation and mass migration, these are well documented as significant historical events. But that doesn't change the fact that most people did not travel.

The whole idea of British blood is nonsense. We're a mongrel people - part Roman, part German, part Scandinavian, part French plus lots of other bits and pieces.

Complete nonsense which has been shown by various studies to be false. The actual genetic impact of the Romans, Normans and Vikings is pretty small (the latter being the greatest of the three and very pronounced in some areas). Most people living on the isles are descended from the hunter gatherers who arrived following the last ice age, the anglo-saxon settlers or a mixture thereof.

 

[[TW]Fox]

As I've already said Burnsy. You know what kind of person coming to your country.
A good run business plan ahead. Plenty on this forum go to the US to work for a bit with no problem.


Unlike the EU where there will be 2 million people by the end of the year,
who haven't got and papers or passports, you don't know if they're terrorist's or rapists.

Yea, I bet there are no illegal immigrants in the USA

 

[[TW]Fox]

Don't think it's 1000 years dude. There are 7 generation's alive in our whole family.

How can that possibly be true unless pretty much each woman gave birth at 16 and the newest arrival is basically a month old?

 

[Insanties_birth]

Yes, he said we get 6 MEPs and lots of other guff

I said about 6 (was wrong of course ), the point wasn't really about the number but more the idea that we are simply outgunned which doesn't really change. We could have 1000 MEP's in and it wouldn't matter if we statistically still had under 10%. So your argument for staying in is that you can b*tch about small things that still don't change the big picture? Equally guff.

 

[deuse]

Yea, I bet there are no illegal immigrants in the USA

None that the US government let in(unlike the EU). Your really failing a lot these days.

How can that possibly be true unless pretty much each woman gave birth at 16 and the newest arrival is basically a month old?

See the edited post. Or read the thread..oh and use the multi+ icon.

 

[Destination]

None that the US government let in(unlike the EU). Your really failing a lot these days.



See the edited post. Or read the thread..oh and use the multi+ icon.

Which gen are you of the 6 alive?
Can't be too many family groupings with that many gens.

0-18-36-54-72-90 assuming all banged up at 18. Quite consistent.