Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 400 43.3%
  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 523 56.7%

  • Total voters
    923
  • Poll closed .
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What are you on about? All the leave supporters here are so because of their unbiased views and well read views on the economy. :p

LOL :p:D;)

There are still people in Turkey who want to join the EU but the hugely popular government do not, pay it lip service to keep those who want it happy but are actively moving further away from any recognisable process to make it's institutions ready to join the EU.

You only have to look at the news to know Turkey's been on a divergent path since 2013 and probably some time before (We only get the big news, I'm sure EU diplomats knew more earlier).

Well said.
 
Just for the record my position of currently on the fence would swing to an out vote if turkey was to join.
 
Just for the record my position of currently on the fence would swing to an out vote if turkey was to join.

Now, or at any time in the future?

I think it would be deeply problematic for Turkey to join at the current time but, with the kind of improvements we should be hopeful will occur in the coming decades, I don't see a problem with Turkey joining the EU once it has improved its institutions.
 
Now, or at any time in the future?

I think it would be deeply problematic for Turkey to join at the current time but, with the kind of improvements we should be hopeful will occur in the coming decades, I don't see a problem with Turkey joining the EU once it has improved its institutions.

Ever, unless there is a serious overhaul of the country, the infrastructure of, the illegal occupation of a member state and the people all become progressive as opposed to the current stance.

So, not ever really, just not until it might as well be a different country because it is simply incompatible at the moment.
 
Ever, unless there is a serious overhaul of the country, the infrastructure of, the illegal occupation of a member state and the people all become progressive as opposed to the current stance.

So, not ever really, just not until it might as well be a different country because it is simply incompatible at the moment.

Turkey won't be anywhere near joining by the referendum, but I can see it happening in future. The EU is intent on spreading out as far as it possibly can. If you are really adamant you would be out if Turkey joined, then you should be voting out in the June referendum, as Turkey will be in sooner or later.
 
We definitely need more houses, even if everyone who came the past dacade were to be kicked out tomorrow. The issue is the rich keep getting richer, people buy multiple houses as buy to let, then you got foreigners who buy houses as an investment and leave them empty.

Our government is doing very little to fix this issue. To me it seems they are either not qualified for the job, or more likely corrupt in some way and have other motives and are acting on information not available to us.

Buy to let is a disappointment, I really hate hobby landlords with no capital behind them to maintain the properties, sometimes exploiting the poorest with **** accommodation on housing benefit.

It's a shame no large corporate does private rentals in the UK, it's more common in europe. It's an unglamorous sector but the returns are okay and if individuals wanted to invest in the private rental market they could just buy shares. Much better for the investor, better for the tenants and better for the housing market. Maybe this is where the government should be applying incentives?

also private house building has failed, the market is not fit for this entirely social purpose - the land to build on is limited so naturally house builders 1) do not build so much to bring prices down and 2) build disproportionally more (in relation to the broader demand) bigger high-end houses because the margins are better on these.

Various governments have tried to fix this by incentives and requirement for starter homes but the cure is probably to just build houses within the public sector again - hopefully learning the lessons of the past (doubtful).

It would be interesting to see the government set-up an independent non-profit to build housings in the areas required, of the type of housing required, backed by some public money and guarantees. Then invite private investors to buy bonds or shares in this non-profit at a fixed return of say 5%. Rents could be fixed by region based on median wages and the local market.

Councils could be required to give up land for this at preferential rates (it is a social scheme after all).

I'm not sure what the EU has to do with however, if there was less demand there would be less houses - the price is where land owners and house builders want it to be.
 
Turkey won't be anywhere near joining by the referendum, but I can see it happening in future. The EU is intent on spreading out as far as it possibly can. If you are really adamant you would be out if Turkey joined, then you should be voting out in the June referendum, as Turkey will be in sooner or later.

As soon, and as likely, as the EU US and China forming the first world government and us all living in mega-cities.

It's something neither side wants and is moving in the opposite direction of. Don't confuse a few sweeteners to get some help with refugees as a sign of a change of heart on either side. This is a purely transactional arrangement - we give you shiny shiny if you take the horrible people away.

Turkey doesn't want EU membership.
 
As soon, and as likely, as the EU US and China forming the first world government and us all living in mega-cities.

It's something neither side wants and is moving in the opposite direction of. Don't confuse a few sweeteners to get some help with refugees as a sign of a change of heart on either side. This is a purely transactional arrangement - we give you shiny shiny if you take the horrible people away.

Turkey doesn't want EU membership.

I think the will with the right deal. They're already going to get 3bn euros off us.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-12-02/refugees-give-turkey-leverage-with-eu
 
Turkey is having to cope with 2.5 million refugees. Of course we're helping out with monetary aid. It's in our own interest to do so.

This has nothing to do with Turkey joining the EU.

I think it's the EUs end game.
 
And in bitslices post

He jumps straight from sexual assault to rape.

You are not reading my post properly, the statistic mentioned rape, I confined my speculation to sexual assault only.

I then reiterated this later by saying what appeared to be happening wasn't quite like the headline.






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And I think mega-city 1 is the end game, and I dare say I have more evidence for it!

*my evidence may be a comic, it's no less real than yours however :p

I don't know why you find it funny.
Cameron has said he is trying to stop the UK being part of a super state.
B Johnson
"Boris: We can no longer ignore the ‘windy Euro-rhetoric’ - an EU superstate is on its way"

And the more countries the EU let in the better for them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...mbrace-of-Turkey-could-drive-Britain-out.html


And now Turkey seeking '€3-5bn' more in aid.
 
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Oh stop with the faux outrage, when the word ******* and other pejorative language gets used ubiquitously around here.

Of course it's fake, I'm not going to get butthurt by the Lefts default debating technique of shouting down everyone by silly name calling, but I get annoyed when they decide to be butthurt over something trivial and expect to be taken seriously.
The whole "I am offended" tactic is being manipulated to stop people raising legitimate topics.

And just to avoid confusion, ******* has never been aimed at an individual poster. The racist card has been thrown at everyone by the same people for years.
 
Turkey also wants visa-free travel in the EU from June, instead of waiting for a planned October review of preparatory measures.

"One EU diplomat said Berlin and some allies were open to bringing forward the date if Ankara met all the requirements including changing its visa policy for Islamic states and introducing biometric passports"
 
I think I'm going to need a source for that. It's an astonishing claim if true since there was very little immigration to Sweden in the late 80s.
(it was the wp at the end)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

True, I'd love to see a current set of figures but given that the media and government are reading the same script, we'll never be allowed to see them.

No, I don't think that's a reasonable assumption. Immigrants make up a small proportion of the Swedish population, the degree to which they'd need to be committing crime would have to be incredibly higher than the Swedish national population for that to be true.
I'm just pasting the quote.
Rape is a fairly infrequent crime (6700 in 2014), it is reasonable to expect a culture with a track record is going to feature highly in that.

At current population, that's only 1% of the muslim community
That's more or less the same % for people raping in the UK, so nothing unusual here.

Agree that otherwise crime hasn't changed much, but then this isn't really a culture associated with crime, it's associated with rape.

I have done a lot of reading into claims about rape statistics in Sweden. They really need to be read in context and with an understanding of the Swedish legal system.

Agreed, that's why I didn't try to justify a rape figure, just a sexual assault issue.

- All potential instances of rape are captured in the stats. Not convictions, alleged events.

The percentage I quoted was for the number of rape convictions from that group, and if it is being deliberately under reported then this should not be dismissed as politically inconvenient.

I should mention that it is apparently really hard to get a rape conviction in Sweden, and the sentences are on par with shoplifting from Woolies.

Anyway, this is slightly off topic and I'm not really making any assertions beyond suggesting there is an issue with one group and that the original headline was over egging a bit.
It's like saying crime is an ethnic issue because the prison population as a percentage of the whole suggest this, but then there are lots of reasons for that situation.
 
What would you rather do: help Turkey look after the millions of refugees via monetary aid or watch Turkey collapse and be forced to take the refugees ourselves?

Why should my tax's go to turkey? much better spent at home.
The UK never let them in. Go and ask Merkel for the cash. After all it was her idea.

"The EU will accelerate the lifting of visa requirements for Turkish citizens in the Schengen zone, so that this takes place, at the latest, by the end of June 2016"

And off we go.
 
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