Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

[Burnsy2023]

Who would have thought a British Prime Minister would have given up half our rebate for next-to-nothing? This is another reason why I want out - I just don't trust our politicians not to give away more and more sovereignty to the EU. They keep doing this, I don't know why, I can only speculate but now they've actually let the common people have their say and I say we give them a bloody nose.

So you don't trust our government to make good decisions, yet the return of sovereignty would surely make this more of an issue? You're full of inconsistencies.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Because all the EU funding for science is put to such good use....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35809116

Science relies on research of all types to further understanding. Some will not have obvious applications at the time, but can still have profound impacts. It really frustrates me when politicians say that science research funding should all have clear applications before being funded, because that's not how science works.

With that said, the research you have cited may have applications such in making materials that don't deform when cut - which could be useful in all sorts of domains.

 

[Burnsy2023]

It's funny how the pro-EU posters one minute claim that scientific research would collapse overnight if we left the EU, then claim that the EU doesn't have anything to do with bits of scientific research they don't like. Any chance you guys could make up your minds please?

I suggest you take some of your own advice:

Read what I posted again and come back when you've understood it.

 

[Burnsy2023]

If we do vote brexit, have we got a way of ceasing freedom of movement straight away or would we just have an insane 2 years of wave after wave flooding in while they can?

No, freedom of movement will not stop until negotiations are complete and enacted (assuming that is renegotiated).

 

[Burnsy2023]

They seem to have faith that our politicians will be able to negotiate these amazing deals with the rest of the world due to our economic size....the same politicians they criticise for not being able to stand up and negotiate good deals for us with the EU...

Indeed, it does show a level of arrogance that seems rife with euro skeptics, that we deserve all this special treatment and that we'll get it because we're a world power.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Doesnt the guillotine rule mean that in that case we will also have free movement still.

As ending that cuts all the other treaties

Indeed the EC has been clear that free trade has the requirement of freedom of movement amongst other things.

 

[Burnsy2023]

If we left the EU then we'd be free to set whatever tariff we wanted against illegal Chinese steel, and we could hold the government to account if they didn't.

Just like we'll hold them to account for the snooper's charter? We may have the power to set import duties, but we wouldn't, especially with a Conservative administration.

In the real world, your point is completely irrelevant.

 

[Burnsy2023]

Most people outside of this forum think the Snooper's Charter is a good thing. That's fine if the Conservative government don't want to set import tariffs, people can remember that at the next general election and vote for them or not. Who we can't vote for however is the largest parliamentary group in Brussels, the EPP who will likely decide who the next President of the EC is.

Most of the public don't care about cheap chinese steel either. Nothing will change here.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I think you'll find people do care about jobs, in fact it's one of the things they care the most about. How out of touch can you be?

Jobs like car production that requires cheap steel?

If we do lose steel jobs, it's a fairly low number. That does affect people in an acutely adverse way but not enough to change a government.