Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 400 43.3%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 523 56.7%
  • Total voters
    923
  • Poll closed .
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delta0 said:
You've missed quite a lot of this thread in that case. Whilst immigration is a prominent issue because
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Yeah I know the issues but they don't seem to get much space in the thread, tbh if it wasn't for the mettle of the outers I'd probably be an outer on the democratic deficit alone but the low brow immo concerns put me right off.
 
Mr Jack said:
What's wrong with that? Loads of sites, including the government's own benefits sites, give information on what benefits you're entitled to and how to claim them. Why shouldn't a Polish newspaper give helpful advice to the Polish population on what they're entitled to claim and how to claim it? Polish workers in the UK have every right to know what their rights in the UK are.

It's also "interesting" how the text shown in the supposed benefits homepage doesn't show up in any searches of the Poland Express website and I can find no sign of any 'benefits' tag on any of their posts.
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Because it's the usual scaremongering that Breitbart uses and people like Scorza lap it up!

Like you said, all the information on what benefits a person is entitled to is also freely available on the major government websites...they'll be using that as a headline next - "Shady UK Government Plan To Give All Migrants Free Money Shocker!"
 
delta0 said:
You've missed quite a lot of this thread in that case. Whilst immigration is a prominent issue because we should be able to pick and choose who we bring in to focus on needed skills. Unfortunately we are attracting a lot of low skilled workers and also people that don't work. There are a lot of homeless immigrants that have come here for the wrong reasons.

However there are a lot of issues with EU laws that prevent things such as subsidisation of industry. This has caused our manufacturing sector to recently suffer badly. The government can't step in to help industry and must helplessly watch as the company sinks like the titanic. This was recently the case for the Redcar steel plant.

An additional issue with over regulation is that it has stifled innovation. It is known as the European paradox.
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i can confirm the over regulation.
The introduction of REACH has basically destroyed the whole of the european chemical industry - its too difficult to do anything new so we are just tinkering with what we have.

Ironically it hurts germany more than us - they were kings of the chemical industry for 150 years - they are screwed now. It all just happens in china/india now. Even the US is better (the fda is not as strict).
 
Everyone seems to want to discount the scare tactics, they there to be used because they are very real, I get the impression people bury there head in the sand when it comes to the issues we could face by leaving.

While I think the EU is a total bloody pain, staying in would without a shadow of a doubt be the lesser of the 2 evils. (unfortunately they both evils IMO)

If anyone actually believes there would not be a huge impact on jobs within 18/24 months they live in never never land.
 
Nemeses said:
If anyone actually believes there would not be a huge impact on jobs within 18/24 months they live in never never land.
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Rather than just dismiss people's opinions, why not tell us why you think there would be a "huge" impact on jobs. Explain the cause and effect...

By 'huge', I would expect at least 10% of all workers to possibly lose their jobs which is something I cannot see happening.
 
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Scare tactics? Yes I'm scared. I'm not at all confident the UK can select any better decision makers than those in the EU. Our current leaders are just as likely to make stupid decisions. Bendy buses from Boris, nuclear deterrent without nukes from Corbyn.

What do we think Trump will do with an independent UK? Ignore it I think.

Overall the EU has to be financially neutral as would an independent UK, I think I'd be better off with the likes of the larger EU countries on my side.

I'm not at all sure we will still be able to trade as easily from outside the EU. Where will our new found wealth come from with the financial markets already seeking to get feet in other EU countries. What will we do bring back coal mines, British Leyland, UK steel to name but 3.

Why would an exit stop people wanting to come here, unless we become a grotty place to be they won't stop wanting to to come and won't the EU start helping them get here? Who thinks the rest of the EU will look after all those that say they want to come to the UK.

I'm trying very hard not to look at the people who support either side here as I really dislike pretty much all of them. I can't make a decision based on who I dislike. I just want to be safe and I feel safer in a larger community.
Andi.
 
estebanrey said:
Rather than just dismiss people's opinions, why not tell us why you think there would be a "huge" impact on jobs. Explain the cause and effect...

By 'huge', I would expect at least 10% of all workers to possibly lose their jobs which is something I cannot see happening.
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You do not see it happening but qualified people, who actually know what they are talking about, do.

Even under very optimistic assumptions, the sum of the static and dynamic trade losses would be almost 2.2% of GDP. More pessimistic calculations would lead to a long-term loss of almost a tenth of national income.

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/57958/
 
Skunkworks said:
For every expert there’s an equal yet opposite expert.
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I have no doubt you can find economists who predict better outcomes for the UK following a Brexit although most of those are in the "short term pain for long term gain" school, as you put it. But the majority opinion from economists is that Brexit would do sharp short term damage to the UK economy, followed by a lesser damage in the longer term. Figures of around 4-5% loss of GDP over the next two years are common.

A lot depends on how the Brexit shapes up. If we end up back in the EEA with free movement I'd expect a recession immediately following the vote followed by longer term conditions mildly lower longer term growth once the deal has been struck. If, on the other hand, we go full retard and meet the Tories ten not hundreds of thousands of immigrants pledge and stay out of the EEA I'd expect a recession that we don't recover from within this parliament. This won't entirely be down to national conditions but also because of the economic damage done to the wider European project by Brexit.
 
Mr Jack said:
.. the majority opinion from economists is that Brexit would do sharp short term damage to the UK economy, followed by a lesser damage in the longer term. Figures of around 4-5% loss of GDP over the next two years are common.
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Are they factoring in the massive increase in high-earning lawyers, accountants and advisers employed to negotiate the treaties and for every business who has cross-border partnerships or trade?

It'd be sad to see us spend more on lawyers than nurses (or should we say, even more) but the economic activity of 'change' will be significant. Time to invest in alpine ski resorts and home counties executive car dealerships ;)
 
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...-in-european-parliament-comes-out-for-brexit/

Blow for Cameron as leader of the Conservatives in the European Parliament backs Leaving the EU. What does he know that Cameron doesn't?

Just to please those who would seek to dismiss Breitbart as an untrustworthy source, it's also in this BBC article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35783049

In a further boost for the Leave campaign, the head of the Conservative group of MEPs in the European Parliament, Syed Kamall, has said he believes the UK "could forge a better life outside" the EU.

Mr Kamall, who also heads the pan-European ECR group, said he believed a "fair and balanced" immigration policy was only possible outside the EU.
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scorza said:
Blow for Cameron as leader of the Conservatives in the European Parliament backs Leaving the EU. What does he know that Cameron doesn't?
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This referendum has put me in the horrible position of feeling vicarious joy at the bloody infighting of the Tory party on the one hand and the knowledge that Cameron's credibility is probably going to be a key factor in delivering a Remain vote on the other.
 
Mr Jack said:
This referendum has put me in the horrible position of feeling vicarious joy at the bloody infighting of the Tory party on the one hand and the knowledge that Cameron's credibility is probably going to be a key factor in delivering a Remain vote on the other.
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I'm not sure that 'Cameron' and 'credibility' should be mentioned in the same sentence TBH.
 
The question is does Cameron really want to stay in the EU?
I'm not sure he does. It's almost like he purposely negotiated a weak deal knowing it would get ripped apart.
 
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