Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)
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Thats only a small part of it, plenty more reasons to be OUT.
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No. Only a idiot would be against immigration. You can be all for immigration and not like the discriminatory, protectionist and reckless system we currently have.
Even UKIP with all their faults advocate immigration by the way. I know the blind arm flappers like to pretend they aren't.
Everyone from around the world wanting to come here should be treated the same with expedited visa's for those who have the skills we need and rejected visa's for those that do not. If we need bog cleaners, advertise for bog cleaners and so on.
Immigration should be a powerful tool to plug skills gaps in an economy, not something where the entire fabric of towns is getting ripped apart.
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Who decides which skills we need?
US tech firms are forever complaining that they can't get the workers they need from abroad because the system moves so slowly.
Same for the UK if you can't find anyone in the EU to fill a specific role. The visa system is currently horrendous.
Meanwhile my town has streets full of benefits claiming, loud, angry, fighty, seed spitting eastern Europeans who can't speak a jot of English.
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How will making it worse help? We currently accept more non-EU migrants than EU migrants and the EU migrants are, on average, better educated than the non-EU migrants. How are you going to reduce immigration, not make the visa system worse and cut off the best educated group of migrants all at the same time.
EU migrants are less likely to claim benefits than native brits.
How do you know they claim benefits?
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And what difference does that make? You think treaties and trade agreements haven't existed for the last 600 years?!
Should be, but it isn't.
It's a devide and conquer tool used by our government.
How do you think? They are all in council provided properties for a start.
What's the point of any immigrants who claim benefits?
My Neighbours are Eastern European, a highly pleasant working couple with a child. YMMV in any neighbourhood.
My primary answer is one you will doubtless disagree with: because it's the decent thing to do. No-one, in any country, should face destitution if they lose their job or become too ill to work. Their migration status shouldn't impact that. A welfare safety net is the absolute minimum that a civilised society should provide.
Then there's the simple matter of fairness: immigrants who have paid into the system should be able to claim benefits when they lose their jobs or are otherwise unable to work.
Then there's the fact that it's a reciprocal arrangement so millions of Brits benefit from claiming welfare in other EU countries or the security that being able to do so provides. The right that all of us enjoy to live and work in the EU is an enormous advantage that is simply not talked about enough.
Then there's the simple economics of it: almost all benefit claimants do so for a short period of time before going back into new jobs. Providing benefits to EU workers help keep those workers a productive part of our economy so that when they return to work they do it in this country rather than leaving for another country.
Then there's the labour force factors in it: remove benefits and you reduce the safety net that allows workers to challenge unsafe, unethical or illegal practices by their employer without fear that they'll end up on the streets as a result.
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I've claimed a benefit. I've also paid a crapload in tax and I'd suggest many people here are the same. Just because someone claimed benefits doesn't mean they're not a net contributor to the economy.
They're culturally enriching...
What Corbyn said doesn't match the video title in any way
The owners of next door (where the Eastern European Couple are renting) are a Chinese couple, the other side are South African's renting from a British couple of owners with south African Parents. Culturally enriching is actually right, the Chinese Couple gave us some very nice tea as a present. 
I get bored of the doom munger Daily Mail stories about immigration, when they simply don't reflect the reality which I currently live in.
I was a little concerned about living between renters (of whatever nationality) but the reality has proven a pleasant experience...
I get bored of the doom munger Daily Mail stories about immigration, when they simply don't reflect the reality which I currently live in.
I was a little concerned about living between renters (of whatever nationality) but the reality has proven a pleasant experience...
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