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Well that makes the extra burden on the tax payer worth while then.
Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (March Poll)
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Well that makes the extra burden on the tax payer worth while then.
Well what point were you trying to make by posting it? The EU isn't perfect, but the referendum isn't asking that question. That video isn't Corbyn supporting a 'leave' vote.
The point is that the EU is seriously flawed and that the most left wing labour leader for years thinks so too, it isn't just UKIP and the 'right' who think things need to change - whether you believe (I think misguidedly) that reform can and will happen should be the reasoning behind your vote on the referendum.
This is true. I am still undecided. I really don't want to be in the EU as it currently stands. But my decision is either OUT because I feel it can never improve, or IN because I feel that it can change and improve enough for my children to reap the benefit in the future. I am undecided which way to vote because I want some kind of evidence either way. Sadly I doubt that will come so I will probably have to vote on gut instinct instead.
I think that whether it's left, right, centre, socialist or capitalist or whatever our politicians have realised that fundamentally the EU isn't going to deliver what they want because we as a nation aren't able to shape it to what we want and that there's a better chance by withdrawing from it.
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Migrants get in work benefits, get child benefit no matter the location, and it will be interesting if a pension , as in old age, black hole is developing.
Yeah, quite. Jeremy Corbyn goes on to talk about what he wants to do in Europe; you don't do that if you plan for Brexit.
I think there's few In campaigners who believe there is nothing wrong with the EU; we just think that it's many advantages outweigh its problems.
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I'm actually surprised at the size of the IN vote. I would have thought it a lot smaller.
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I am kinda of like you but I see an out vote as more likely to improve the EU. We would be the the only major global economy to not be in the EU and I think new more favorable terms would be offered immediately by the EU for us to re-join.
If that didn't happen I could see France starting a 'Leave' movement within a decade and if that went through you'd be left with Germany, the only remaining major economy, subsidizing poorer countries alone at which point there is no advantage for them either. Hence a common market without the central body or massive integration would eventually be renegotiated.
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I think you will be right, the EU needs to go back to what it was in 1975, free trade with each other and thats it
It can't, trade didn't function efficiently enough without open borders and matching terms/common legislation.
Who says the English are supposed to shape the future of 500 million people? England is not the center of the bloody planet. Compromise, prosperity and democracy are at the foundation of the EU. The future will ve shaped by working together and finding the common ground, that was the deal from the start. It's time for us to decide if we follow through or go our own way. In an incresingly connected world, a small island in the Atlantic will achive less on its own than it could acheive by being part of the most ambitious and progressive political project mankind has ever undertaken.
Top ten largest economies currently not in the EU: US, China, Japan, Brazil, India, Russia (6)
Top ten largest economies currently in the EU: Germany, UK, France, Italy (4)
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I don't because all that would do is encourage other countries to leave if they can't get what they want, & that would lead to chaos, i fully expect the EU to make life difficult for us after a brexit to discourage other countries from bailing, they'll have to if they want the EU to survive.
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Except that the EU has absolutely no incentive to do that, indeed for stability of the bloc, they need to avoid that.
Because in the past when we joined the EU, the EU's and the UK's goal's were aligned, a free market. The political and economic union was never ever part of what we agreed to.
Your belief in a Utopia is misplaced. The EU has shown time and again that it isn't about working together or finding a common ground for it's citizen's.
The rise in eastern Europeans in my area is recent, they are all getting plonked in one area and their numbers are swelling. Somehow they are getting straight in and receiving benefits.
If you've contributed and needed some help so be it, these lot haven't. If you are a long term claimant then as an immigrant you should expect pressure to leave, as would I if I moved countries.
I don't know why we should be a charity for the world's dross.
On the contrary, that's was exactly what we agreed to and we knew it. Here's Edward Heath's letter to the country:
Why is he stating that the EU is more than a common market, it's almost as if this wasn't mentioned in the referendum...On the contrary, that's was exactly what we agreed to and we knew it. Here's Edward Heath's letter to the country:
Indeed, the things he speaks about from the Paris Summit are nothing really to do with the political and economic union.
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