Poll: The EU Referendum: What Will You Vote? (New Poll)

[itchy]

As said, it's more like £24 million after rebates.



Yes, 1/4 plus 25% does tend to be close to one half

But that's a pure guess, isn't it. We don't know how much our contribution to the EU will change, if we leave the EU but wish to retain access to the EU market.

And that saving could be nullified by tariffs on our exports, and increased costs for UK businesses, or loss of business.

Again, nobody in the Leave camp is prepared to quantify these "savings", or even guarantee that there will be any.



Why would you trust a UK judge more? Why do you trust a UK politician more? Do you think no accounts get fiddled in the UK govt? Did the MP's expenses scandal pass you by? The money used to pay for duck ponds, for heating stables, for maintaining 2nd homes for mistresses?

The EU has had a positive effect in enhancing workers rights and consumer rights in this country. The EU have helped fund projects in my local area (Cornwall), which the UK govt couldn't care less about. It's London, London, London and the City and that's all they care about.

A typical southerner ivory tower post go away, we are flooded with them up north.

I posted this ages ago........................



I bet its real nice in Cornwall, I bet you all warm and cosy being in the EU.

Being in the EU is not just about money and sovereignty, its also about unfettered immigration to the point of disbelief.

 

[GAC]

rochdales actually broken 1000 btw now.

 

[FoxEye]

Being in the EU is not just about money and sovereignty, its also about unfettered immigration to the point of disbelief.

Yeah and we already know that free movement is going to be a mandatory part of any deal we make the EU post-Brexit.

Unless we want to cut all ties with the EU, and stop trading with them entirely, then these things are all set in stone:

*Continued contributions to the EU budget
*Free movement of EU citizens into the UK
*Adherence to the majority of EU laws

Look at the countries that are't the EU: Switzerland, Norway... tell me how they don't pay into the EU (they do), how they opted out of free movement (they can't), how they are freed from implementing EU law (they aren't).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22188028

Norway makes large contributions to the EU and has had to adopt 3/4 of the laws from Brussels. But they cannot influence the EU, like we won't be able to post Brexit.

So... what you want is literally the worst case scenario for Britain. Unless we cut ties with the EU and the EU market, we can't opt out of the things you don't want or like.

 

[v0n]

Since when has £55 million been chump change.

Even if we got back a 1/4 plus say another 25%, its still 22.5million a day for what? (I know what you going to do I done it on purpose)

It never was £55 million a day (or £20bln a year) to begin with. It's something like £8.5bln or similar, around 0.5-0.6 per cent of GDP. Minus support funds disbursements and other things.

In the most optimistic variants post Brexit, in Norwegian scenario (EEA but o EU), with no penalties post exit, net contribution would fall by around a tenth. In Swiss scenario (negotiated bilateral agreements) the contribution would likely be cut by around half saving every Briton around 14p in tax a day.

Both scenarios would require freedom of movement to remain...

 

[Boycey0211]

I was going to pick holes in that for a bit but can't be bothered now.

It was debunked as nonsense awhile ago that graphic.

Oh and you realise that not all of the 55M a day has to go to Liverpool right? When you take into account everything going on in the UK it accounts for a hell of a lot, farming, industry, training schemes, literally hundreds of thousands of things are contributed to out of that budget.

But itchy, you've got exactly the same opinion of the farmer on ITV the other day, he benefited directly from the EU yet wanted to leave cos he didnt understand where the cash went.

 

[datalol-jack]

rochdales actually broken 1000 btw now.

So about 1 refugee per 88 members of the population? WOW! The North is lost! Fall back behind the wall!

 

[FoxEye]

Both scenarios would require freedom of movement to remain...

And continued adherence to most EU laws...

He is not going to get what he wants in any Brexit scenario. We are not going to cut ties with the EU and stop trading with them.

 

[Boycey0211]

So about 1 refugee per 88 members of the population? WOW! The North is lost! Fall back behind the wall!

North West 2011 population

Rochdale 211,700

1 in 211 more like, assuming zero growth since 2011........

 

[Superficial]

the arithmetic has already been done on the payments/rebates etc:

http://news.sky.com/story/1645947/your-eu-referendum-survival-guide

For me the payments are not the issue - Let's look at the Free trade deal that Canada is finalising - which after MANY years of negotiations should be in effect next year.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-911_en.htm

http://www.workplacewire.ca/canada-...market-continues-to-integral-internationally/

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/oh-canada-an-alternative-for-the-uk-after-brexit/

The attractiveness of the CETA, as an alternative to Brexit campaigners, is that is provides a model for EU relations which allows for access to the EU’s single market whilst neither being part of the EU’s legal system and with the free movement of labour provisions of the single market no longer applying to the UK. Of particular interest for advocates of Brexit in this scenario is the proposition that UK businesses would only be required to conform to EU standards and regulations when exporting to the EU’s single market.

The remain campign is saying that it STILL hasn't been implemented but the truth is that, aside from a couple of issues, it'll be in place around 2017 Given the Size of the UK market, the fact that we are already in line with EU regulations completely there is little reason that the basis of the CETA could not be used as a template for the UK.

More and more it seems like the only reason I'm still in the "remain" camp is because I expect punitive action from an EU that would wish to discourage others from leaving.

 

[GAC]

So about 1 refugee per 88 members of the population? WOW! The North is lost! Fall back behind the wall!

so dumping people in a town thats got multiple issues to start with is a good idea then ?

 

[datalol-jack]

The general population are thick as pig **** and will vote to remain.

We wont win the leave vote I can guarantee it.

If Iceland can do it so can the UK. They told the bankers to shove it, which is a bigger finger in the arse than exiting the EU.

Devil makes work for itchy thumbs, they say, eh?!

 

[Superficial]

It never was £55 million a day (or £20bln a year) to begin with. It's something like £8.5bln or similar, around 0.5-0.6 per cent of GDP. Minus support funds disbursements and other things.

In the most optimistic variants post Brexit, in Norwegian scenario (EEA but o EU), with no penalties post exit, net contribution would fall by around a tenth. In Swiss scenario (negotiated bilateral agreements) the contribution would likely be cut by around half saving every Briton around 14p in tax a day.

Both scenarios would require freedom of movement to remain...

Do you not think much of the CETA arrangement Canada is getting as per my post above?

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

#BetterTogether

 

[itchy]

It never was £55 million a day (or £20bln a year) to begin with. It's something like £8.5bln or similar, around 0.5-0.6 per cent of GDP. Minus support funds disbursements and other things.

In the most optimistic variants post Brexit, in Norwegian scenario (EEA but o EU), with no penalties post exit, net contribution would fall by around a tenth. In Swiss scenario (negotiated bilateral agreements) the contribution would likely be cut by around half saving every Briton around 14p in tax a day.

Both scenarios would require freedom of movement to remain...

Freedom of movement to remain? So how does this help the indefinite leave to remain issue?

I have spoken to an old EX the other week and she on border control in Ireland.

I said " What you doing with all these flip flop people?"

She said "Our hands our tied"

That's all she can say of course.

 

[datalol-jack]

so dumping people in a town thats got multiple issues to start with is a good idea then ?

It's cheap, and costs the public purse less to house refugees there. No, they won't go away if we leave the EU, neither will the conflict in Syria end magically overnight.

Yes, I think we should send more money to the councils up North. But it ain't Armageddon. So quit chewing the rag over that flimsy graphic -- it scares nobody, and convinces no-one.

 

[FoxEye]

I have spoken to an old EX the other week and she on border control in Ireland.

I said " What you doing with all these flip flop people?"

She said "Our hands our tied"

That's all she can say of course.

Eh? What does this even mean?

 

[Boycey0211]

Eh? What does this even mean?

Originally, I thought he meant flip flop as in people who are undecided between remain or leave the EU and keep changing their minds.

Then I re-read it, remembered it was itchy, and I think he literally means 'flip-flop people' as in those whom may originate from the middle east. Thats the only reason an Irish border guard would possibly have been brought into this conversation.

 

[itchy]

Eh? What does this even mean?

Go figure!

The is a underhanded thing that runs through the civil service that guides the way so to say.

 

[Pudney]

Do you not think much of the CETA arrangement Canada is getting as per my post above?

Why do you think the EU would agree to a CETA style agreement rather than a Swiss/Norwegian style?

 

[datalol-jack]

Now we know that the IN lot can have full use of the civil service and the OUT can't have any we can see if we didn't already know that this is a rigged poll.

Goebbels would be proud.

And stop invoking Godwin's Law, it brings out the fruit bats!