The F1 2014 season

Sounds like a V12 to me?

I'd be rather more impressed if Ferrari had gone out and turbocharged the LaFerrari V12 as against dropping a development version of the F1 engine into the tub. I imagine a turbocharged 6.3 litre V12 would go quite well :eek:

Rather more likely that they stuck the F1 engine in there though, isn't it?
 
I'd be rather more impressed if Ferrari had gone out and turbocharged the LaFerrari V12 as against dropping a development version of the F1 engine into the tub. I imagine a turbocharged 6.3 litre V12 would go quite well :eek:

Rather more likely that they stuck the F1 engine in there though, isn't it?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjghiUWNdCc

I still think it's LA Ferrari. I know cosworth tested engines in road cars though.

Hmmm that video posted by V F it says the side pods are designed by RB?
 
The Sky video isn't quite right - I believe it's the side impact structures which Red Bull is responsible for, which will in turn have an impact on how other teams have to design their sidepods. (I assume, while not the same scale of constraints, it's the same as teams having to use the same tethering system on the wishbones for the wheels).

It's definitely not a standard La Ferrari, it's quite obviously turbocharged, and Ferrari currently don't have a production turbo engine, it points quite a lot in the F1 engine mule direction.
 
I think your right. Its the crash structure inside the side pods that's been standardized. Means small pods like the Sauber won't happen.
 

Congrats deuse. For proving the opposing viewpoint.

:D

Notice the lack of turbocharger wheezing and snuffling sounds in that video you posted compared with the other one?

And at any rate - you'd kinda hope that a V6 sounded a bit close to a V12, given that a V6 is generally considered to be 50% of a V12 ;) The 2014 F1 units are mandated to use a 90° angle between the vee of course, not the best angle for a V6 by any stretch. 90° is good for V8s, but you have to get into slightly interesting crank designs with a V6 to get an even firing order. Presumably the FIA considered this fact when setting out the new regulations.

*chortle*
 
Are you suggesting the V6 regulations aren't the result of a well thought through and detailed process?

:p

I'm 'suggesting' nothing of the sort. It was very well thought through and very detailed.

It was all completely wrong, mind :D
 
Haha.

Is there a single road car in the world that runs a small capacity V6 turbo?

Depends how we're defining small.

Ford make turbocharged V6s that are smaller than their N/A V8s. They're still well over 3 litres :)
 
Depends how we're defining small.

Under 2 litres. While the 1.6 I4 turbo idea was unpopular, it is an engine specification that is currently in eleventy billion cars with further use looking ever more likely. The 1.6 V6 turbo specification is used... nowhere. Its a completely useless engine specification for creating any real world relevance, which is what the FIA said they were trying to do with the new regs.

On another note, rumoured images of the new RBR nose have been leaked....

frong_wing_design001.jpg
 
Williams have poached another Lotus dude...

http://www.williamsf1.com/Team/Medi...thened-Aerodynamics-Team-for-the-2014-Season/

As part of the on-going work to improve key areas of the business, Williams is pleased to announce that Dave Wheater will join from the Lotus F1 Team to become Head of Aerodynamic Performance, reporting to existing Head of Aerodynamics Jason Somerville. Also supporting Jason as we move forward will be Shaun Whitehead, previously of Red Bull Racing, who joins as Head of Aerodynamic Process.
 
The 1.6 V6 turbo specification is used... nowhere. Its a completely useless engine specification for creating any real world relevance, which is what the FIA said they were trying to do with the new regs.

But its not just an engine specification, its a power unit specification. I agree that the V6 aspect of it is silly, but thats more about fitment and overall impact on chassis design then anything. Every other aspect of the power unit has massive real world relevance. All the ERS, power sortage, power delievery of this ERS power etc will be priceless in the years to come.
 
But its not just an engine specification, its a power unit specification. I agree that the V6 aspect of it is silly, but thats more about fitment and overall impact on chassis design then anything. Every other aspect of the power unit has massive real world relevance. All the ERS, power sortage, power delievery of this ERS power etc will be priceless in the years to come.

True, but what it loses is the marketing by association aspect, which is what the mass market car makers really like. For Touring Cars and Rallying its pretty easy, as the cars look pretty much like the road cars they are based on. It doesn't really matter whats going on inside, people still recongnise the body shape.

F1 cars don't look like road cars, so for road car makers to get good marketing value they need to find some sort of link. For performance car makers like Ferrari its about the results, but for mass market makers its more difficult. Simply doing well on track with a car with your badge on it isn't good enough.

The marketing for the I4 engine format basically wrote itself. Just look at how many car makers have 1.6 I4's. Imagine the advertising, "Buy the new Clio RS, with the same engine Vettel won his 5th World Title with!" The I4 was massively marketable for a lot of car makers. And its cross discipline too, WRC and WTCC also run 1.6 I4 turbos.

The V6 has lost that. As most car maker involvement in F1 is going to be defined by the marketing manager, its a lot harder for F1 to attract them without a directly marketable component. We are back at the stage of just marketing by having a badge on something that wins.

And its been shown by the new engine regulations resulting in F1 moving from 4 engine suppler to just 3 (initially), and 2 of those 3 being companies with little to no interest in the I4 format. The rules failed to attract the market the FIA were going for.
 
Flol at double points. Next up will be bernies rain machine, and handicaps where the fastest cars have to start after the slowest cars have done 2 laps.
 
Wtf, double points, and how the hell are they going to do a 5second penalty, even a drive though is more than 5 seconds. Please dont say it'll be added after the race.

And agreed budget cap, but not, as they dont have a clue on how much.
 
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