The GPU war is over.

[DarrenM343]

Gsync offers nothing over freesync apart from higher prices and less connectivity.

Thought gsync was the better implementation of the technology over freesync?
As this is not new technology anymore I do think one or the other should just become the standard now, or, produce monitors with both chips with agreement from both AMD and Nvidia. It's a bit annoying if you want to use this to have to buy a monitor with the appropriate hardware.
Both parties are guilty I feel. Nvidia but also AMD for calling theirs "freesync" just because they didn't get in on the technology first but is a good way of marketing their;s and both for seemingly not coming to an agreement over it's use today.
I'm reckon both probably get a backhander by monitor manufacturers for each until sold with the tech

 

[Rroff]

Gsync offers nothing over freesync apart from higher prices and less connectivity.

Aside from better compatibility with games/apps that use windowed modes, better low framerate floor approach (though seems some people notice it more than others) and when properly setup edges out FreeSync on latency. Whether that is worth the price difference or not is another matter. On the flip side G-Sync seems to be lacking a bit of driver loving at the moment - I've noticed it intermittently falling back to V-Sync behaviour or dropping out entirely sometimes for no apparent reason on some of the more recent drivers.

 

[mahius]

And theres more, the HD 6000 series was smaller, less expensive, more efficient and faster than the GTX 400 series.

What did AMD get as a reward? debt. and what did Nvidia get for the calamity that was Fermi 1, massive profits.

That is not competition.

Thing is, the point the guy made in the video is that many people buying these GPUs don't bother to look at benchmarks and such. Otherwise we had a whole load of idiots buying GPUs in those days. I will say nowadays, the benchmarks are most of the time against AMD though.

Hell the 970 is one of the best selling cards of all time and doesn't even have enough VRAM to run GTA V properly.

Very surprised you know the 970 can not run gta v properly, my 780 can so i feel sorry for all the 970 owners

Is there an emote where I can point at something with a hand... LOOK HERE

Yer, this!

Some recommended the 970 when specific GameWorks titles were a must to play or the price was cheaper but most recommended the 390/X (depending on budget) over the 970. The 970 I had competed nicely with the 290X I had and won/lost a fair share and both were the same price, so no wonder people were on the fence for either side. The 390X was dearer but a better option over the 980 which was quite a bit dearer.

Back before the 300 series came out, the 290X was cheaper than the 970 and that's what made it competitive. Since it often didn't match up/trade blows in the benchmarks.

As for the recommendations, I don't remember seeing many for the 390(X) till this year. Heck, I even asked here on these forums myself on the day of the 300 series release, I was even considering a 980. Everyone here told me a 970 was the best option, so that's what I did. That and I did notice that a 970 was better performing in the games I played, but this was release day for 390.

Tried AMD cards twice. Was let down both times with shonky drivers. Vowed never to be tempted back.

And here I was considering the red team after abysmal drivers on my 970 this year gave me a ridiculous number of crashes and glitches (throughout the first half of the year at least, learnt my lesson and declined latest driver updates since)... is there any 3rd discreet GPU manufacturer that doesn't have shoddy drivers out there?

Aside from better compatibility with games/apps that use windowed modes, better low framerate floor approach (though seems some people notice it more than others) and when properly setup edges out FreeSync on latency. Whether that is worth the price difference or not is another matter. On the flip side G-Sync seems to be lacking a bit of driver loving at the moment - I've noticed it intermittently falling back to V-Sync behaviour or dropping out entirely sometimes for no apparent reason on some of the more recent drivers.

What G-sync does is nice. But no way is it worth paying a few hundred quid more for one single feature that isn't even necessary sometimes. I've been running a good many games on my new 1440p144 monitor (which came with FreeSync) and haven't had screen tearing issues on games yet. Heck I ran Just Cause 3 with V-sync off (cos it decimated performance at launch) and I've had no issues on that too. Back on my 1080p60 monitor, I often had to run on V-sync due to screen tearing.

Having an Nvidia GPU with a FreeSync monitor makes me wish Nvidia would just support it, they'd probably get even more sales since their GPUs would then be able to make the most of any monitor. Maybe they want AMD to be able to fight back? Maybe they're being cruel and toying with AMD? Whatever the case, I personally feel that the RX 470 and RX480 are a win for AMD, even with the dodgy pricing. Though if what the video on the first page is true, it won't matter and people will buy the 1050/1060 anyway.

So do we know how sales of the 470/480 have compared to 1050/1060 yet?

 

[OldFatherTime]

I've seen it 100x even on this tech forum. Someone would come along and ask "best card for 1080p". And the unanimous cry would be "GTX 970". Even though we all know that the 390/390x was a much better choice for the same money. Hell it's got 8gb vram to the 3.5 on the 970. I watched that 100x times in the last 12 months.

Yes but is it?

I want G-Sync. I want Shadowplay. I want less power consumption/heat.

It's not all about FPS.

That's why I bought a 970.

BTW - I had a 290 before that... but was so glad to get rid of it. Hot, noisy, inefficient. Won't go back to AMD now (or for at least 5 years) as too far in the Nvidia camp with my £1000 G-Sync monitor.

 

[Rroff]

So do we know how sales of the 470/480 have compared to 1050/1060 yet?

Don't think there is a hard break down of the figures available to the public unless you pay JPR but the hardware surveys, polls, etc. suggest that the 1060 outsells the 480 slightly more than 4:1 overall and close to 1:1 to the enthusiast market.

 

[humbug]

Don't think there is a hard break down of the figures available to the public unless you pay JPR but the hardware surveys, polls, etc. suggest that the 1060 outsells the 480 slightly more than 4:1 overall and close to 1:1 to the enthusiast market.

Polls?

You obviously haven't seen this, this one suggests the RX 480 outselling the GTX 1060 2:1

A week ago I posted a survey about the GeForce GTX 10 Series and Radeon RX Series GPUs. Here's what 1248 redditors had to say about their fancy new GPUs!
I said I'd post all of the respones, so here they are. The sheet is locked in viewing mode, but feel free to download a copy and do whatever with it.
Keep in mind that this survey was only posted on reddit, in /r/amd, /r/nvidia, and /r/buildapc, so these responses don't represent the general population.
I made all of these questions really open-ended, so it's hard to really run any calculations on the answers. If anything, I hope you guys have fun just perusing the list and seeing what people had to say. I don't want this to be completely useless, though, so here's a few things I observed:
1. I manually went through about 120 of the build price vs. GPU price responses, and found that the respondents spent on average 35% of their build budget on their GPU
2. Many NVIDIA users seemed to cite the lack of performance competitors from AMD as why they chose to get a Nvidia card. Maybe this will change if/when the RX 490 is released?
3. The AMD users' justifications for buying an AMD card were a bit more diverse. Some cited FreeSync and not wanting to support Nvidia.
4. All around, most people just chose cards based on their budget, which makes sense. People generally want to get the best experience that they can afford. Beyond that, it's just the choice between AMD and NVIDIA
5. 2% of respondents (24) reported themselves as being Apache Attack Helicopters
Also worth noting, here are the counts for all of the video cards people chose. Note that I didn't add the Fury/Fury X option until 1046 responses. I tried my best to math it up and extrapolate how many people would have chosen that option had it been available the whole time.
So, anyway, I hope that you all find this at least somewhat interesting. I was really surprised by how many people responded, and by the fact that most of them weren't troll responses. Thanks for participating, everyone!

Results
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet..._TgLDDzmpkwofpCYo65u7G1Wg/edit#gid=1867387419

Link to OP
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5ghddc/a_week_ago_i_posted_a_survey_about_the_geforce/

 

[Nasher]

Thought gsync was the better implementation of the technology over freesync?
As this is not new technology anymore I do think one or the other should just become the standard now, or, produce monitors with both chips with agreement from both AMD and Nvidia. It's a bit annoying if you want to use this to have to buy a monitor with the appropriate hardware.
Both parties are guilty I feel. Nvidia but also AMD for calling theirs "freesync" just because they didn't get in on the technology first but is a good way of marketing their;s and both for seemingly not coming to an agreement over it's use today.
I'm reckon both probably get a backhander by monitor manufacturers for each until sold with the tech

It was the case to start with. But AMD have improved Freesync with driver updates etc and newer monitors have a much wider range. Being someone that owns both, You can't really tell them apart now. Well, except for the £100+ nvidia tax and less connectors on gsync monitors.

Freesync is just adaptive sync and part of DP1.2a. But Nvidia purposely don't fit DP1.2a ports to prevent you using it.

 

[Bonjour]

Thought gsync was the better implementation of the technology over freesync?
As this is not new technology anymore I do think one or the other should just become the standard now, or, produce monitors with both chips with agreement from both AMD and Nvidia. It's a bit annoying if you want to use this to have to buy a monitor with the appropriate hardware.
Both parties are guilty I feel. Nvidia but also AMD for calling theirs "freesync" just because they didn't get in on the technology first but is a good way of marketing their;s and both for seemingly not coming to an agreement over it's use today.
I'm reckon both probably get a backhander by monitor manufacturers for each until sold with the tech

That's where Freesync differs from G-Sync. There are no proprietary chips involved; it simply utilises the standard adaptive sync which any company, including Nvidia, could use. It is, in essence, 'free' as the monitor only really needs to support the DP1.2a standard.

 

[Smffy]

Love a good argument.

Relatively back on topic, i'd love more competition from AMD but sadly the 480 release was pretty underwhelming for me. Good card, good idea but launched in the midst of some serious cards from team green just poor timing. I can't help but think the next release will be the same, instantly crushed by a hidden/speculated Nvidia gem.

Its very difficult being on the back foot in tech, let alone with the vast disparity in budgets

 

[Rroff]

Polls?

You obviously haven't seen this, this one suggests the RX 480 outselling the GTX 1060 2:1

I saw Shankly's thread on it but the results aren't really surprising from where the data is sourced from - a little more wider net (of enthusiast numbers) has them much closer possibly not 1:1 as I quickly averaged it in my head but close enough to make little odds.

Be interesting to see what OcUK's numbers are - when Gibbo posted soon after the 1060 release the 480 was slightly outselling it.

EDIT: Globally 1060 sales are strong and definitely outstripping the 480 considerably.

 

[TheRealDeal]

I saw Shankly's thread on it but the results aren't really surprising from where the data is sourced from - a little more wider net (of enthusiast numbers) has them much closer possibly not 1:1 as I quickly averaged it in my head but close enough to make little odds.

Be interesting to see what OcUK's numbers are - when Gibbo posted soon after the 1060 release the 480 was slightly outselling it.

EDIT: Globally 1060 sales are strong and definitely outstripping the 480 considerably.

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I would imagine OCUK's sales figures have a far different ratio but it does show that those that know a little about Gpu's have decided not to get burnt by Nvidia performance dropping off compared to Amd's more forward looking architecture. Most buyers of these cards probably won't bother to post in these threads as it's not enough Epeen. The gtx1080/1070 threads have far more members i think.

 

[humbug]

Oh look at that ^^^^^ it backs up the poll i provided to this debate.

I saw Shankly's thread on it but the results aren't really surprising from where the data is sourced from - a little more wider net has them much closer possibly not 1:1 as I quickly averaged it in my head but close enough to make little odds.

Be interesting to see what OcUK's numbers are - when Gibbo posted soon after the 1060 release the 480 was slightly outselling it.

Don't dismiss factual material out of had, you haven't provided a single grain of anything to backup your claims.

 

[Rroff]

Oh look at that ^^^^^ it backs up the poll i provided to this debate.



Don't dismiss factual material out of had, you haven't provided a single grain of anything to backup your claims.

Compared to you using a sample of just over 75 users above it isn't really surprising in this neck of the woods the 480 is better represented than the 1060.

 

[humbug]

Compared to you using a sample of just over 75 users above it isn't really surprising in this neck of the woods the 480 is better represented than the 1060.

You wouldn't be ignoring the 1248 Redditors it mirrors now would you?

AMD got back from 21% to 29% market share in Q2 this year with the RX 470/80 alone, they maintained a 29% share this quarter despite Nvidia adding the GTX 1060 to its lineup, the 1060 has had no impact on RX 480 sales.

 

[Rroff]

You wouldn't be ignoring the 1248 Redditors it mirrors now would you?

I answered that in the previous post.

AMD got back from 21% to 29% market share in Q2 this year with the RX 470/80 alone, they maintained a 29% share this quarter despite Nvidia adding the GTX 1060 to its lineup, the 1060 has had no impact on RX 480 sales.

The 480 has sold well but JPR and steam hardware survey, etc. show a somewhat different picture to the sales proportions in enthusiast space (I suspect a lot is down to OEM bundling, etc.).

EDIT: Looking at the other 1060 v 480 thread seems to be a suggestion that the performance in Overwatch and BF1 has been a strong driver of mainstream sales of the 1060.

 

[MyBrainz]

Yep, people like me cba with Roll of Honours..

Have to say i am very happy with my RX 480, right now on the 16.11.x drivers, no problems at all, temps never go over 55c - 60c.. and thats a core overclock of 1400

I will be looking at Vega when it arrives though

Nvidia? Not interested

 

[TheRealDeal]

Compared to you using a sample of just over 75 users above it isn't really surprising in this neck of the woods the 480 is better represented than the 1060.

Why do you feel in this neck of the woods the RX480 is better represented than the gtx1060. Is it because we know that the RX480 is probably the better card in the long term or do you think there is more AMD users on this forum.

It can't be more AMD users as you only need to look at the gtx1070/1080 and Titan threads to see this ain't true.

 

[Rroff]

Why do you feel in this neck of the woods the RX480 is better represented than the gtx1060. Is it because we know that the RX480 is probably the better card in the long term or do you think there is more AMD users on this forum.

It can't be more AMD users as you only need to look at the gtx1070/1080 and Titan threads to see this ain't true.

At that kind of price point there tends to be more AMD purchasers than nVidia here but that isn't really what I'm basing it on - in most of the threads where it is debated very few would recommend the 1060 over the 480 even those who would never buy AMD themselves.

 

[humbug]

I answered that in the previous post.



The 480 has sold well but JPR and steam hardware survey, etc. show a somewhat different picture to the sales proportions in enthusiast space (I suspect a lot is down to OEM bundling, etc.).

'Enthusiasts' and 'OEM' don't belong in the same sentence

People who buy off the shelf PC's are not enthusiasts, my brother in law buys off the self PC's to play truck simulator (no joke) because he just wants an easy choice, he goes to a superstore and says to the man "i want a PC to play my games" the man points at some random box they need to shift and my brother in law buys it, when he gets it home he doesn't notice the shocking frame rates as he thinks its normal nor does he grasp what i'm telling him when i tell him he paid way over the odds for a pile of junk.

My brother in law is not an enthusiast, he's like 70% of those who still buy or build PC's in one form or another.

That is where Nvidia are very very strong.

An enthusiasts has an opinion as to which one offers more for its money, has better longevity.... and so on, AMD are pretty strong there.

 

[Rroff]

'Enthusiasts' and 'OEM' don't belong in the same sentence

Neither does things like JPR and even steam and hardware survey...