The gypsy problem

LCG-xyz · 23 Apr 2020 at 23:57

StriderX said:
Is this the same as The Jewish Problem?

Was Hitler right when he put the gypsies in with them?

If the answer is not no, then why not you just do it yourself.

Ah ha ha ha! Really, that's so weak it's laughable.

Hey, I understand, it can be difficult to comprehend nuance. No need to go full strawman, never go full full strawman.

builder22 · 24 Apr 2020 at 00:00

stockhausen said:
Where do you live that you face these dreadful problems - or was it just on some "documentary"?

What have the Police done that they deserve to be armed and then deported?

one of their songs was *****

StriderX · 24 Apr 2020 at 00:01

LCG-xyz said:
Ah ha ha ha! Really, that's so weak it's laughable.

Hey, I understand, it can be difficult to comprehend nuance. No need to go full strawman, never go full full strawman.

Nuance? There is no nuance in the title of this thread.

Anyway, the solution is more police and if it's not enough, the next solution is more police until it is resolved.

LCG-xyz · 24 Apr 2020 at 00:02

The_Abyss said:
The money goes exactly where it should be going, but there just isn't enough of it as the UK's tax burden, despite what the nation has been conditioned to believe, is chronically low.

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14256

If there wasn't so much chronic wasting of money there would probably be enough for everything but we have creaky old systems that should be independently audited. Suddenly those champagne lunches for MPs stop being allowed on 'old faithful', the expenses account.

LCG-xyz · 24 Apr 2020 at 00:03

StriderX said:
Nuance? There is no nuance in the title of this thread.

Oh you just read the title and not the content that expands over several pages...

Got it.

The_Abyss · 24 Apr 2020 at 00:06

LCG-xyz said:
If there wasn't so much chronic wasting of money there would probably be enough for everything but we have creaky old systems that should be independently audited. Suddenly those champagne lunches for MPs stop being allowed on 'old faithful', the expenses account.

Every central public system has inherent inefficiencies within it. That doesn't mean that it should be accepted - far from it - but equally it doesn't mean that those inefficiencies should be trotted out every time to try and defend the basic fact that the UK willingly underfunds state investment, and has done for a long, long time. MP's expenses, in this scenario, is just pure deflection.

LCG-xyz · 24 Apr 2020 at 00:06

StriderX said:
Nuance? There is no nuance in the title of this thread.

Anyway, the solution is more police and if it's not enough, the next solution is more police until it is resolved.

I see you've edited your post. So when will that be? When will there be enough? All the police are getting to retirement age and uptake is slow. Forces are lucky to get 30 people a year. So yeah, we could raise taxes, do recruitment drives, train the applicants, assign them to troubled areas. Should be doable in 5 years, 10 tops.

Or we could just utilise a resource already at hand.

StriderX · 24 Apr 2020 at 00:09

We haven't had enough police for decades, that is blatantly true regardless of specific populations of criminality. I don't really care about the logistics of it, that's the government's job, just get it done.

LCG-xyz · 24 Apr 2020 at 00:10

StriderX said:
We haven't had enough police for decades, that is blatently true regardless of specific populations of criminality. I don't really care about the logistics of it, just get it done, that's the government's job.

Much easier to hand it off. I agree, much simpler than trying to think of a solution for yourself.

Easy life all way baby, "someone else's problem".

Do you really think the government is capable of getting anything done? I mean, after years the 'big result' from being part of the EU was call roaming. There are thousands of people that all get paid to achieve nothing.

After nearly 5 months have we got PPE for medical staff? How are those 100k tests coming along?

Angilion · 24 Apr 2020 at 05:13

LCG-xyz said:
I see you've edited your post. So when will that be? When will there be enough? All the police are getting to retirement age and uptake is slow. Forces are lucky to get 30 people a year. So yeah, we could raise taxes, do recruitment drives, train the applicants, assign them to troubled areas. Should be doable in 5 years, 10 tops.

Or we could just utilise a resource already at hand.

But there isn't. Military and police are very different resources, which is why they're not sent to do each other's jobs. They could give it a go in an emergency, but they're very far from interchangeable.

To implement your plan, you would have to have the army authorised and willing to deliberately kill civilians in your own country. You said yourself it was a show of force, which means that you have to be willing and able to apply that force. In the case of the army, the force is deadly force. Even when military forces are there to keep the peace, they're there to keep the peace by force - the message is "keep the peace or be killed". Military forces can be deployed in a non-military capacity where a quick response by a large group of people well trained in working together is useful. Disaster relief, for example. But not as force to replace police. The "force" part would mean deploying military forces in a military capacity.

Sankari · 24 Apr 2020 at 05:35

I will vote for any government that introduces harsh measures to address this problem. And by 'harsh', I mean full scale riot police with armoured vehicles.

Sankari · 24 Apr 2020 at 05:36

Angilion said:
But there isn't. Military and police are very different resources, which is why they're not sent to do each other's jobs. They could give it a go in an emergency, but they're very far from interchangeable.

To implement your plan, you would have to have the army authorised and willing to deliberately kill civilians in your own country. You said yourself it was a show of force, which means that you have to be willing and able to apply that force. In the case of the army, the force is deadly force. Even when military forces are there to keep the peace, they're there to keep the peace by force - the message is "keep the peace or be killed". Military forces can be deployed in a non-military capacity where a quick response by a large group of people well trained in working together is useful. Disaster relief, for example. But not as force to replace police. The "force" part would mean deploying military forces in a military capacity.

We've literally been doing this in Northern Ireland for decades, so it's not exactly some new idea nobody's ever tried before.

Angilion · 24 Apr 2020 at 05:38

Sankari said:
We've literally been doing this in Northern Ireland for decades, so it's not exactly some new idea nobody's ever tried before.

I didn't say it was a new idea. I said it was a bad idea.

Psycho Sonny · 24 Apr 2020 at 06:50

LCG-xyz said:
They are terrorising entire communities. Softly, softly doesn't work.

What communities are they terrorising?

I have only really heard of one case where they ended up being evicted off a farm.

I'm sure there may be a few more here and there but the truth of the matter is they are now living in houses and over time are integrating into society and give it another 2 generations and they won't know what gypsies are. They will be an extreme minority in time.

I've had a few collect stuff I've put on gumtree for free. Never had an issue with them. I've also had some offer to clean my monoblock driveway and roof, I've declined and never had any issues.

FortuitousFluke · 24 Apr 2020 at 08:24

stockhausen said:
What have the Police done that they deserve to be armed and then deported?

Look, some people might advocate deporting the police to Siberia WITHOUT arming them first but I, sir, am not a monster.

Illuminist · 24 Apr 2020 at 08:37

SonicSW20 said:
Deposits left on the road outside the local ***** camp:

Nothing to do with them I'm sure.

They called in an air drop to get their custom loadouts!

Dis86 · 24 Apr 2020 at 09:06

Psycho Sonny said:
What communities are they terrorising?

I have only really heard of one case where they ended up being evicted off a farm.

I'm sure there may be a few more here and there but the truth of the matter is they are now living in houses and over time are integrating into society and give it another 2 generations and they won't know what gypsies are. They will be an extreme minority in time.

I've had a few collect stuff I've put on gumtree for free. Never had an issue with them. I've also had some offer to clean my monoblock driveway and roof, I've declined and never had any issues.

Lol! You really are on a different planet aren't you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44313866

Are those houses they've parked in the entrance there?

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/caravan-convoy-crash-m5-arrests-4033113

Are those houses that they were driving down the road in a convoy during lockdown?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...UK-average-police-say-fear-called-racist.html

"It follows an investigation by Channel 4 Dispatches finding crime near traveller sites is around 50 per cent higher than the national average"

I guess that's because they're all lovely and law abiding...oh...wait.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/560727/Gypsies-spent-1m-government-handout-huge-cannabis-farm

I personally found that one to be a bit of a bonus.

Ayahuasca · 24 Apr 2020 at 09:09

Dis86 said:
Lol! You really are on a different planet aren't you?

He's up in bonnie Scotland and as far as I'm aware they aren't as much of an issue up that way, seems to be less of them and the locals are more willing to sort it out themselves.

Psycho Sonny · 24 Apr 2020 at 09:41

Dis86 said:
Lol! You really are on a different planet aren't you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-44313866

Are those houses they've parked in the entrance there?

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/caravan-convoy-crash-m5-arrests-4033113

Are those houses that they were driving down the road in a convoy during lockdown?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...UK-average-police-say-fear-called-racist.html

"It follows an investigation by Channel 4 Dispatches finding crime near traveller sites is around 50 per cent higher than the national average"

I guess that's because they're all lovely and law abiding...oh...wait.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/560727/Gypsies-spent-1m-government-handout-huge-cannabis-farm

I personally found that one to be a bit of a bonus.

No issues up here. I've never had any issues with them and I've never heard of anyone having any trouble with them.

My mate even gets one to clean his roof and driveway every year

pinkpound · 24 Apr 2020 at 09:58

We have two sets of them here , Resident non traveling travelers and the ***** interlopers . Resident clan are not to bad and keep to themselves , the others not so much and cause trouble and neither set like each other .