The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

Found easily enough on the ZwifftBlog website.
Ta, for some reason I was looking through search results and not clicking that one, convinced it wasn't that one. :confused:
Hey, I'm back! I think I've gone up 3 weight categories. Currently have a sickness bug but hoping to have a nice gentle stretch on Zwift tonight.
Where ya been?! :p

Good break thanks, several good Zwift sessions, few good climbs of the pretzel... Then I realised I wasn't on the Everest challenge so they didn't count towards the tron bike! Doh! Was annoyed enough I stupidly did a block of subzero commutes with the other half while she was working & I was off rather than jump on the turbo. 2*5 miles each way for 3 days seemed an easy way to clock up 60 miles xmas week and still have a good break. But of course hitting the deck on the ice one morning was the result! Thankfully nothing major just a bruised ago and some damaged tights. How was yours?
I'll be turboing in an uninsulated garage with a currently leaking roof. Hoping to fix the roof this weekend, but it's going to be cold :D.
I turbo'd a couple of times in overshoes, thermal bib tights, thermal jersey & winter gloves! Actually quite enjoyed it doing base work for an hour or so, then strip off a few layers and do some power sessions & climbing! :cool:
The fan blowing ice cold air is two-edged sword. Freeze at the start or drown in Holy Water by the end?
Lol @ Holy Water! I actually considered using a fan heater at one point, if I'd have done more sub-zero sessions of base work I probably would have. :eek:

Day/session 8 sounds/looks brutal. Revolver on it's own is harsh enough, I can't even fathom how you'd pace nearly 90/100 intervals. :eek:
 
I'll be turboing in an uninsulated garage with a currently leaking roof. Hoping to fix the roof this weekend, but it's going to be cold :D.

It adds to the focus! After a turbo session in my garage when it's sub-zero out, I won't feel my toes until half way through the shower afterwards. The fan blowing ice cold air is two-edged sword. Freeze at the start or drown in Holy Water by the end?

Know those feels.

Would rather have cold toes and a chill than be overheating and effectively trying to spin in a sauna...

I found a base layer helps hugely to take the chill off the upper body by wicking the sweat away from the skin but still allowing you to cool. And that knee & arm screens (rather than warmers) also stop a chill but don't insulate hugely, well not enough to be problematic in single or sub digit degrees.

Giving up with TR as despite it working flawlessly over ANT July to September (and for years prior to that without a Smart Turbo) something went to **** and despite whichever protocol I use, ANT, BT, IOS, OSX etc I just can't get it to be reliable enough not to ruin intervals. Either working fine for most of the duration or being problematic from the off and then refusing to budge on resistance at all or taking ages to increase/decrease, refusing to switch modes, holding the wrong power during work/rest intervals etc.

Their Customer Service is first class but just seems their compatibility with Tacx smart turbo's is severely lacking. A recent update was supposed to fix the pairing issues whereby over BT the turbo wasn't recognised correctly, showing as either a PM or a Speed/Cadence sensor. It shows correctly now but still performs poorly.

Literally have zero issues with Zwift or the Tacx App in exactly the same environment with all the same kit, even on ANT which uses the 2GHz channel and normally encounters some disruption by wifi. Shame as I do like TR but Zwift can offer me the same, will just take some getting used to for more focused training I suppose.
 
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Both have their benefits IMO. The SF workouts are generally too tough to do all the time, and there isn't a huge amount of base/sweetspot content. TR is good for the easier stuff but it's not the most motivating/distracting app for harder workouts.
 
Why so? It looks so unrealistic it seems off-putting to me.

How good a graphics card does it need? That might be a killer on the zwift option anyway. The PC I have to go in the garage doesn't have a good card.
 
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I don't think it needs a super high end PC as the graphics are pretty pants.

I was very sceptical of Zwift for the same reasons as you but just having other people out there and the changing scenery really reduces boredom levels, making the turbo session seem to pass much more quickly - and for you, having variable resistance based on the hills you encounter would also improve the experience.
 
Well the minimum recommended specs are pretty high, graphics card wise - I was hoping to use a SFF PC which means no way for a graphics card in that.

The worlds also don't seem really big. I guess once I've got the garage sorted the best thing is to just use the free trial and see.
 
Why so? It looks so unrealistic it seems off-putting to me.

How good a graphics card does it need? That might be a killer on the zwift option anyway. The PC I have to go in the garage doesn't have a good card.

I run it on an iPad connected to a tv. I used to hate sitting on the turbo as it used to bore me stupid. With zwift, you can do structured training sessions, ride with friends or even race others. As FT said, the scenery changes and it also has a game element where you unlock achievements so you can customise your bike etc. It just all makes the whole sitting on a turbo a lot more bearable, so much so doing an hour and a half session doesn't feel like a chore at all.
 
you can run zwift on a laptop no bother.

Various options for graphics etc.

I was TR but now zwift as it's more "interactive", friends, races, groups etc.

I'm going to get SF for the Tour for the month - $10.
 
This will give you an idea, you don't need a particularly high FPS with it tbh.

http://zwiftblog.com/zwiftalizer-benchmarks/

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The above is using a 2014 MBP with a dedicated GPU in 1080p on a 40" display at around 35-40FPS. My 2010 MBP managed with an integrated GPU but it wasn't wonderful, around 15FPS and not a great amount of detail.

I've previously been a 'die hard' fan of TR but even the relatively limited landscape at the moment and other in game attributes mentioned help pass the time (not something I struggled with) as well as restore some enjoyment and provide other things to aim for besides punishment and watts. A smart trainer definitely adds some extra involvement needing to shift (and reason to maintain your bike!) I can imagine a non-smart turbo being not quite so immersive.
 
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Nice KOM shot Ben :p

Just drop that one in there...

@Roady, was away from 16th Dec for Christmas and Dec in general was off with friends and family visiting etc. I'm just trying to get over this bug and then get back in to aiming for 8000km this year and putting in some decent training. Slow start...
 
My laptop runs Zwift no problem at all.... But it has a GTX880M in it :p

I got the orange jersey on Zwift last night, 2nd on the KOM and 6th on the sprint. It is a lot more enjoyable with controllable trainer so the effort is changing on hills and downhills for you and you need to use gears and watch the terrain. Just gives it that bit more involvement and thought than sitting spinning so I am preferring it big time for getting a chunk of time in Z2 but as I posted previously, for structured sessions, I am even more impressed with the workout builder and ERG mode so glad I got this Kickr now.
 
I am even more impressed with the workout builder and ERG mode so glad I got this Kickr now.

Can you give some more info about that, especially with a smart trainer? I would like to give this a go, and I'm still debating whether or not to get a new trainer, to replace this old manual thing (that you can't change resistance on the fly easily on)... so stuck with gears and it just feels ... wrong.
 
Can you give some more info about that, especially with a smart trainer? I would like to give this a go, and I'm still debating whether or not to get a new trainer, to replace this old manual thing (that you can't change resistance on the fly easily on)... so stuck with gears and it just feels ... wrong.

No probs.
The smart trainer basically removes your need to worry about adjusting the resistance manually. On actual workouts you create in Zwift, you specify the time of the effort and the recovery time. You then set the watts you want to hold for that effort and also the cadence and the smart trainer then auto adjusts resistance as you perform the effort to keep you at that specified watts/RPM (this is ERG mode).

Zwift allows you to create custom workouts. During which you can setup warmup and cooldown periods and you can setup intervals in between those to whatever you want. 10min warmup - 10x1min efforts - 20min cooldown OR 30min warmup - 2x30mins - 30min cooldown..... anything you want. For every aspect of this you can specify max/min watts, RPM etc and the ERG mode keeps you in line with all the figures you specify without you needing to change gear at all manually on the bike.

If you jump on Zwift and just want to ride the course without doing a workout you just pair your smart trainer as normal, jump in and it will toughen up resistance and reduce resistance in the trainer as you come to climbs and downhills etc. At this point you will use your gears manually on the bike just like you would outside as you come to climbs and downhills.

You can though, change it, so that Zwift isn't using your smart trainer over the FEC ANT+ standard (which allows it to control it). In this case you could pair the trainer and just essentially use it as a standard trainer but still get power/RPM/speed readings but it won't change resistance for you as you get to climbs or downhills. In this case you could control resistance yourself with your gears on the bike or you could use the app for that specific trainer... in my case the Wahoo Fitness app which allows you to control resistance in a few ways such as using ERG mode as mentioned above, but manually, so you can set the phone app to 300w any moment you want and the resistance will control this for you.... Can also use a different more traditional method of control using levels 1-9 where it gets harder as you up the levels etc.

So yeah, hope that explains it well enough, but with a smart trainer you basically maintain the ability to use it as a traditional trainer with the benefit of having a power/cadence/speed sensor built in but you can more importantly use it over FEC ANT+ so that applications like Zwift/TrainerRoad can control resistance for you as you train. The top end like Neo and Kickr really cover all basis and integrate with any which way you want to train indoors.
 
Great write up, thanks xdcx. I'd had a play with the workout builder but haven't yet done a structured workout with it or on Zwift at all. TrainerRoad has this function too and it's really useful for tweaking workouts, adding an extra recovery or interval etc.

Presumably the terrain just rolls regardless of the power/cadence demands and you just pick the course profile you desire to look at during? I.E. intervals aren't always taking place on climbs and could well happen on a descent for example? I expect this is the case as other riders in workout mode (with the HUD display) are among the masses.

Just not quite sure on the need or point of having a cadence setting with ERG and specific power as it's all automatic or is it literally just shown as a target during the interval?:confused:

Worth adding that there are 'gates' a bit like the Flamme Rouge that signify the start/end of intervals (from what I read) which move closer/further away to ensure power durations are met.

Slightly on topic is there a way to enter/leave workouts/events without having multiple Zwift ride files?
 
Presumably the terrain just rolls regardless of the power/cadence demands and you just pick the course profile you desire to look at during? I.E. intervals aren't always taking place on climbs and could well happen on a descent for example? I expect this is the case as other riders in workout mode (with the HUD display) are among the masses.

Correct - in ERG mode the climbs/descents are basically only there for viewing etc - if you interval is a rest one but you on a climb on the screen, it basically ignores the climb in terms of difficulty etc

Worth adding that there are 'gates' a bit like the Flamme Rouge that signify the start/end of intervals (from what I read) which move closer/further away to ensure power durations are met.
Yeah - that's right as well.

I created a 5 min warm up, then 30 seconds @ ftp plus 60W and 30 seconds at 120W x 20 interval training, then 5 min cooldown. 30 min workout in ERG mode for the days when I'm short on time.
 
Not that I've found, which is annoying. I'd like to "stop" an event or workout, and then carry on riding but not have it affect my other ride, but you can't without coming out and going back in again. Can't like, split them off.
 
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