The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

The things you have to do to ride your bike.

I was sat at the main menu earlier and was thinking how **** the UI really is on zwift.

The events tab doesn't have a start time on it as far as I can see? So glad they changed it so you don't have to reopen zwift after finishing a race or changing worlds.

I'm absolutely ******, even two C races have hurt me after a hard Tuesday night. Dragged my mate on zwift but ended up a short D sprint race on Innsbruck and even him being off the bike was hurting me on the climb. I then sat on the front at 4-4.5wkg but it was sore. :cry:
 
Roady said:
Good work and welcome back! That's also a great time up there, my PR from a couple of years back is similar. I've been easily 30-50W below and 5+kg away from troubling that anytime since.
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Cheers for that. The only way I'm likely to significantly improve that time is to lose some weight. (Hang on a sec, I could just enter my weight as 60kg and be invincible. I wonder if anyone else has thought of that :)?)

Berger said:
Well all fine tonight after the weekends remove/update/install.
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I've been pretty lucky that my laptop has been pretty stable. I had a short phase of Zwift crashing, and after reading suggestions in others' tales of woe have got into the habit of rebooting it before a Zwift session if it had been in hibernation/standby overnight. Whether that stopped it crashing or it was something else is anyone's guess though. Fingers crossed you've got it sorted now, but if it does return it might be worth giving it a try.

Meanwhile, I'm about 80% towards the tron bike and have discovered / joined the OcUK Strava group. There are some serious mileages being racked-up.
 
Managed a nice Zwift tonight, coming in second again, I did my TT prep as I had planned to go there, but rained off.

HR was a little high, double espresso kicking in! Got a good long in the saddle effort at the end for the finish, coming in second by 0.2! My numbers almost identical to 1st and 3rd.

I think I’ll do a full reinstall at the weekend and hopefully it brings more more stability.
 
Did Zwift's Innsbrook Lutscher route yesterday and later spotted that I was only 1W under my 20 min PB.
Anyone found a way (presumably an app to run in parallel with Zwift) to display average power from a chosen time (e.g. crossing start of KOM segment)?
 
Alriiight. Took us less than a week to sell the house in the end so started putting things back to normal in the office yesterday and had a quick(ish) zwift to unlock the tronbike with an alpe du zwift. Woo!
 
wonko said:
Fabulous, thank you. I'll have a good look into that - from a quick look at the instructions it could be just watt :) I'm after.
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Let me know if you try it and how good it is.
I actually ride a frequent group ride with the lady who develops this.
My concern is the MITM packet capturing. I am very sceptical and told my riders on the premier division team not to run this and risk it until it's clear what it is doing and what Zwift opinion of it is.

IMO this is basic metric functionality that this game, by now, should be offering us. It's insane we cannot have basic data in the thing without third party tools and packet capturing.....
 
xdcx said:
Let me know if you try it and how good it is.
I actually ride a frequent group ride with the lady who develops this.
My concern is the MITM packet capturing. I am very sceptical and told my riders on the premier division team not to run this and risk it until it's clear what it is doing and what Zwift opinion of it is.

IMO this is basic metric functionality that this game, by now, should be offering us. It's insane we cannot have basic data in the thing without third party tools and packet capturing.....
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OK, shall do. I had a bit of a read-up before installing it on the laptop last night, along with the required npcap for the packet sniffing. It didn't work on first attempt, possibly because it couldn't 'find' the network adapter (it wasn't installed/configured while plugged into the dock I use with my Zwift setup, so maybe no surprise).

What's your concern over the packet sniffing if you don't mind me asking? Is it security of personal data (I didn't spot any red flags over npcap), that Zwift might view it as potentially manipulating race data, or something else?

I agree that this is the sort of data that Zwift could and should offer. I'm a relative newcomer to Zwift but it doesn't seem as if the UI has progressed much.
 
wonko said:
OK, shall do. I had a bit of a read-up before installing it on the laptop last night, along with the required npcap for the packet sniffing. It didn't work on first attempt, possibly because it couldn't 'find' the network adapter (it wasn't installed/configured while plugged into the dock I use with my Zwift setup, so maybe no surprise).

What's your concern over the packet sniffing if you don't mind me asking? Is it security of personal data (I didn't spot any red flags over npcap), that Zwift might view it as potentially manipulating race data, or something else?

I agree that this is the sort of data that Zwift could and should offer. I'm a relative newcomer to Zwift but it doesn't seem as if the UI has progressed much.
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It's purely from the eyes Zwift/ZADA will cast on it that I am entirely unsure right now....

I've had a few instances on my team this season of ZRL where ZADA have questioned signal interference on what looks like completely perfect datasets. None of my own data thankfully, but they are using tools on our data for prem racing that I have no idea what they are picking up or how sensitive it may be to anything logged in data captured by the game/head unit to show another source was intercepting packets. TLDR - It is not worth the risk from a verified Zwift racing point of view IMO. Unless they come out and say it's OK (they won't.)

One More Solo said:
Feels like it’d be way easier to just use a Garmin or similar while you’re riding on the turbo until Zwift sort their **** out?
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Yeah, totally. It's what most are doing and have been doing for years on end. But it would be nice to have it all on the training platform you are using right on the big screen in front of you. It's so basic and should be there years ago in a customisable HUD. But, yeah, Zwift.....
 
One More Solo said:
Feels like it’d be way easier to just use a Garmin or similar while you’re riding on the turbo until Zwift sort their **** out?
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I do this to account for the delay in zwift booting up and timelag between changing worlds as well as the lack of capture whilst you're warming up for races. But as xdcx says something as simple as that should be able to be turned on or off. the fact the hud can't be personally customised to show you what you want after so long is quite poor.
 
I’m still having the “yeah Zwift”.

Totally fresh install.

Default everything. Roll back the launcher to the earlier version, lasted 15 mins watching someone else today then crash desktop no error.

Prime 95 stable. Ran windows memory test no issues.

There are loads of forum posts about it happening in various games and all sorts of solutions from removing overclocks, dead cards, bad drivers, to completely unsolved.
 
xdcx said:
It's purely from the eyes Zwift/ZADA will cast on it that I am entirely unsure right now....

I've had a few instances on my team this season of ZRL where ZADA have questioned signal interference on what looks like completely perfect datasets. None of my own data thankfully, but they are using tools on our data for prem racing that I have no idea what they are picking up or how sensitive it may be to anything logged in data captured by the game/head unit to show another source was intercepting packets. TLDR - It is not worth the risk from a verified Zwift racing point of view IMO. Unless they come out and say it's OK (they won't.)
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Hi xdcx, I guessed it would probably be that. Not something that would worry your average user in their dining room.

I've got the Zwift Activity Monitor working but not tried it out properly yet - I had my 2nd AZ jab yesterday (yay!) and am feeling a bit crap today (boo!). I think my main mistake was to install it under Program Files (x86), and by default the application didn't have rights to save settings in its configuration files. Once I'd twigged this I could get it to give me rolling averages, at which point I hopped off the bike and got back to being lazy. Fuller report to follow...
 
wonko said:
Fuller report to follow...
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I've had two sessions using the Zwift Activity Monitor now, so not explored all the options by any means, but I expect I'll keep using it. I've got it showing the 1, 5 and 20 minute rolling averages plus the session average (the defaults but configurable). Yesterday I used it while going up Innsbrook, a nice (?) 20 minute climb, and it definitely helped to see where I was relative to my PB and if I started to back off.

A couple of thoughts for anyone thinking of trying it:
1. if you change the default install location, make sure it has write access to it's configuration files.
2. on my 22" 1920x1080 touchscreen monitor it's a bit difficult to find a nice 'home' for the ZAM window. If you put it between the power/cadence/HR and speed/distance/time displays then it obscures the power-ups. Not too much of a problem though if you run the companion app.
3. Probably the most difficult aspect of using it is the starting and stopping, as unless there is another way that I've not found you need to click on the analyze menu and then pick 'start'. With a touchscreen within reach it's easy to do as you're starting a session, but it would be quite a distraction if trying (for example) to start it while powering towards the start of a KOM section. If you can't reach your mouse/keyboard then I don't know how you'd use it, but as I said there may be options to auto-start that I've not spotted.
 
Nothing much to report here...

WTRL TTT was a good one on Harrogate / 'HORRORgate' (which is a horrible course to keep a team of varied weights together on!) We only really did 1 rotation before it became a mixed effort with 2-3 lighter riders up the climbs, 2-3 stronger/heavier on the descents. While the in between and weaker riders (me) just sat in the middle. I was on gap work and did a bunch of 4/wkg pulls closing 10-15m gaps before they grew which really hurt.

Knowing I couldn't ride yesterday (Alton Towers) I rode '3 Sisters' as a race on Saturday night. Was only going to ride it Tempo so entered cat C. Mixed cat race just meant I ended up racing the thing, didn't I! Typical! Quite a mix of riders with the B's & C's very mixed together really helped for the lack of attendees. Superb fun in various 2-3-4 up's getting smashed apart on the climbs and regrouping. Had one guy put 40s into our 3up at the top of the Radio Tower. Cue me and the other guy started to chase, I dropped the other guy while in aero tuck, got my 100kmph badge! Then caught him (while he was doing 3.5w/kg) towards the bottom ramps. Quick kick & surge before another tuck and put 30s into him. Oh it's fun being 15-20kg heavier than people! :cry::D;)

Berger said:
If my Neo packs in then I’ll be asking you Roady.
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Haha, more than happy to be a bit of a 'source' here for people with Neo issues (or Flux for that matter...) as have quite a bit of technical knowledge with the internals of both now.

Tools I have I'm happy to share, but I would probably advise everyone with a Neo to get one of the disk tools so you can take it off and check your bearings and o-rings... I'm using an ebay 3D printed one which cost £15. Cheaper than shipping the Neo anywhere! All part of probably 4-6 monthly maintenance I would suggest every Neo owner does.

As for removing the ratchet lockring (for the inboard bearing on the Neo disk), that is more tricky. I'm happy to share that tool around, it was a bit more of an expense and a more of an involved repair but certainly within the realms of most on here. If you've changed cartridge bearings on a freehub then it's on-par if not a little easier... Lots of info online about it.

Technically you can pretty much buy a 'Neo bearing kit' (£66.50) for an easier job than buying and waiting for the tool (€36), but if you're doing it multiple times over many years then it's loads cheaper to buy the bearing (£3-4 for an SKF better quality than Tacx use).

Jonny ///M said:
I was sat at the main menu earlier and was thinking how **** the UI really is on zwift.

The events tab doesn't have a start time on it as far as I can see?
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You can now turn off the UI completely. Just press 'H'.

Think the 'Oh my Crit' series of Crit races now has HUD turned off and it's meant to be really good fun and totally different/Pro way of riding Crits - worth checking out as you love them.

UI seems to be coming to the fore time and again the last few months - so expect them to patch it and break something totally unrelated anytime soon... Like the recent patch and new world. They brought the fence back for group rides, but broke chat functionality for leaders and sweepers. Currently looks like Red (sweep) beacons chat can't be seen at all in game, only in Companion app... :rolleyes:

Of course they still need to fix the yellow (Lead) beacon appearing 2km up the road at the start from most of the group, that's caused issues for only 2-3 months with massive splits as riders 'chase' it, only for the beacon to then be back in the main pack behind 5-10 minutes later... That's a great one when you have the fence back and inexperienced leaders are 'zapping' fliers off the front who just think they're chasing the lead beacon. Great one ZwiftHQ. :golfclap:

Which event timer? The one on screen? It'll show time until the event starts. The companion app shows the scheduled time...

wonko said:
Cheers for that. The only way I'm likely to significantly improve that time is to lose some weight. (Hang on a sec, I could just enter my weight as 60kg and be invincible. I wonder if anyone else has thought of that :)?)
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Wait! Why didn't I think of that...! Oh yeah, the fact I'm still riding at my Winter/autumn weight of 77kg, rather than what my current work from home weight is... Only 78kg before you get all excited

Berger said:
Slow weekend so I’m going for a windows 10 reinstall and a bare setup with just Zwift on there hoping it sorts me out!
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Gutted it didn't work out. Sods law! Onto GPU then...? But really not the time to buy a new one.

Sure that bomb out wasn't update related, sounds similar to the only 'closes' I've seen recently. Although laptop did it on the weekend, I didn't have it plugged in power and battery hit 5% before I realised. Thankfully it'd just turned off the external display and not closed Zwift on it...

xdcx said:
Let me know if you try it and how good it is.
I actually ride a frequent group ride with the lady who develops this.
My concern is the MITM packet capturing. I am very sceptical and told my riders on the premier division team not to run this and risk it until it's clear what it is doing and what Zwift opinion of it is.

IMO this is basic metric functionality that this game, by now, should be offering us. It's insane we cannot have basic data in the thing without third party tools and packet capturing.....
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Valid concerns and think you're right. Although I think a bunch in 3R are riding with it now, I'll put some feelers out about how many in the PL are and what concerns they have (if any... most are not that techie).

One More Solo said:
Feels like it’d be way easier to just use a Garmin or similar while you’re riding on the turbo until Zwift sort their **** out?
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Many do this anyway. I started to do it to try and capture w/kg lap averages so I could race in lower cats and not go over and get DQ. Didn't last long - there's not many cats below C! ;)

SoliD said:
seems to be a bit more graphic intensive than the other maps.
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My framerates are back down riding that world and creeping down in other places. I'm back to running 516p or whatever the one below 720p is... Think my laptops days are now numbered and I'll be following in @Berger s tracks. Dreading seeing the issues he has!

wonko said:
I've had two sessions using the Zwift Activity Monitor now
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Great little review and feedback, thanks for sharing!
 
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