The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

New 100km Zwift W.R. set this weekend - 1 hr 55m 31s - https://zwiftpower.com/events.php?zid=4689072 - beat the old one by 3s

Organised by the whole Community as several clubs involved and working together. Really 2 main guys (Star Lord & JPO) who also lead/sweep and ride with R3R and several other clubs. R3R ZRL organiser (Rob) organising the pull rotation and coaching them. Powerhouse JPO was Ride Leader (and lets face it would always do a lions share of anything like this!) They even had Pro riders along - guy in 2nd rides for Movistar (MTB admittedly, but rode for Norwegian national team on the road). One of my Thursday regular engines had NP 348W and a new FTP but couldn't stay in to go sub 2 hours.

Stream here:

Worth skipping to 1.5 hours when they get to the later parts. Massive efforts - but also to see JPO doing 330-340w and he's in z2 his HR actually going down. Super-human (he's a PhD Mechanical Engineer with Bachelors in Science, Physics and Maths) :cry:

4.5w/kg in the draft. 5.0w/kg towards the front. Pulls where at 6.0-6.5w/kg! Mind=Blown.

In more realistic riding (barely I know) I bumped my FTP a few watts (to 266W - probably by my 10 min power being 292W?) doing the 1x Bologna FRR iTT Classification Race #1. Proceeded to start well Race #2 (they're back2 2 back iTT) on Yorkshire, but really died a death the second half! Somehow still took '1st' in my Classification (HAB) - https://flammerougeracing.co.uk/tour-results-classification/

I can't ride for GC this time around - (6 stages in 7 days) and the weather also being so cold in my garage, if I even did I'd get ill and unlikely to finish it. Will do tonight and tomorrows stage then skip 5+6 to ride the finish couple. Probably. 4 Horsemen on Sunday is actually is 5th horsemen as laps to 92km...

wonko said:
Good to know - Saddleback do (did) the UK support and would be the first place to call.
Fortunately the problem seems to have gone away - my suspicion is that it might be something to do with how many concurrent bluetooth connections there were, and whether the bike itself, the phone (zero offset) and the watch were preventing Zwift on the laptop connecting.
Click to expand...
Probably, or certainly check background apps and such that something isn't 'grabbing' the connection of 1 arm and stopping Zwift from getting it.

Vandle said:
Top tip (that I only learned a month ago). If you are in a group ride or you stay with someone indoors or out long enough and strava thinks you rode with them, press manage group and give your iPhone a shake. There’s a pop up that allows you to give everyone in the group kudos with a single button press allowing you to be polite and lazy both exactly at the same time :)
Click to expand...
Can do this on Android app too, it's been there a while. I didn't think it was a shake (as not something I do with my android) but can't seem to get it up any iother way. Brings up option "Give kudos to" and a choice of 'Athletes I follow' or 'All athletes'.

grudas said:
No it is, but why is it hidden like that.

Also I find it so odd that their phone app lets you say pick a public route created by someone but if you’re on the website you’re not able to Search or browse any routes created by others.

It’s like two different companies work on it lol.
Click to expand...
So much half-baked stuff on Strava. Like having multiple bikes, being able to select default bike by activity... But looking at your activities being unable to filter by bike. WUT
 
Last edited:
Shadowness said:
Yes. Use TR in the minimised mode, and put down at the bottom of the screen. Make sure Zwift isn't seeing the controllable part of your trainer, and it'll work fine.
Click to expand...
2fntk23.jpeg


I'm hoping that's the set up I'll be able to use. Was just testing that my trusty daily driver could run Zwift. It's now going to live in the shed on Zwift duties. Hopefully doing TR workouts whilst also ticking of Zwift routes will be a nice mix-mash
Would much rather the proper integration but this will have to do for now

(you can tell we are moving house because the shed is now turning into a dumping ground from the house)
 
Last edited:
Junglist said:
I'm hoping that's the set up I'll be able to use. Was just testing that my trusty daily driver could run Zwift. It's now going to live in the shed on Zwift duties. Hopefully doing TR workouts whilst also ticking of Zwift routes will be a nice mix-mash
Would much rather the proper integration but this will have to do for now

(you can tell we are moving house because the shed is now turning into a dumping ground from the house)
Click to expand...

Nice, i've been debating one of those cheap £30 mini projectors as a trainer screen, although the walls in here are pebbledash style plaster so might be a bit unpleasant!
 
Martynt74 said:
Nice, i've been debating one of those cheap £30 mini projectors as a trainer screen, although the walls in here are pebbledash style plaster so might be a bit unpleasant!
Click to expand...

Mine is just a cheap 42" Hisense 4K screen. I don't think I would've paid much over £300 for it but it does the job really well. I mostly wanted it for the Smart Apps but I now mostly use it with an AppleTV so kinda defeated the point of it lol.

Edit: the set up works! Though I have to use Ant+ for TR and Bluetooth for Zwift. Don’t mind though. It works well enough.
 
Last edited:
Junglist said:
Mine is just a cheap 42" Hisense 4K screen. I don't think I would've paid much over £300 for it but it does the job really well. I mostly wanted it for the Smart Apps but I now mostly use it with an AppleTV so kinda defeated the point of it lol.

Edit: the set up works! Though I have to use Ant+ for TR and Bluetooth for Zwift. Don’t mind though. It works well enough.
Click to expand...
This is what I have been doing the last 3 months and not had any problems. You heart rate monitor can likely broadcast in both ant and Bluetooth to give feeds to both.

TR are working on an integration with Zwift so your planned workout can be imported, sounded hopeful for early this year.
 
Vandle said:
Are the TR workouts so much better than zwifts that it justifies two paid subs?
Click to expand...
Most Zwift workouts have random power/duration mixes, supposedly to keep us engaged, at the cost of concentrating of what type of interval.

One exception is the TT Tune Up workplan workouts iirc, they are relatively focused, although at least some still have random sprint efforts just after a warmup.
 
Martynt74 said:
I really liked the idea of TR for the AI based training plans which i would put more stock in than the Garmin daily workouts. However it just feels a hefty price for what it is. Unless i'm missing something
Click to expand...

I use both, and I'm interesting to see how TR responds to bigger training days, as it highlights days as amber or red. I'm notoriously bad a recovery, so I wanted a bit of help here, and I tend to ignore my Garmin that normally says to have a few days off after a bit of an effort. I haven't done too much lately, but my recovery is 76 hours as I write this. But maybe I do need that.......certainly don't feel like I do.
 
Vandle said:
Are the TR workouts so much better than zwifts that it justifies two paid subs?
Click to expand...

For me, they are. I'm not sure what it is about the Zwift plans but I don't find myself able to stick to them. The TR plans seems offer a clear plan of what it is trying to achieve in each session. I also like that it adjusts to your progression throughout the plan so it feels a bit more organic, for lack of a better word. Plus you can do workouts outside if you wish.

I think if the Zwift plans work for you, it's better to save the money
 
That's fair. Does it load things like HRV in from Garmin? I know my watch is on similar recovery, but i went a little zero>100 for the new year and probably over did it with 5 days in a row of relatively hard cycling after around a month of laziness. Need to get back into a more regular routine.

I guess maybe the mid ground is Training Peaks and Indievelo? Although i think that's more aimed at having an actual coaching program rather than an AI based model
 
Last edited:
Martynt74 said:
That's fair. Does it load things like HRV in from Garmin? I know my watch is on similar recovery, but i went a little zero>100 for the new year and probably over did it with 5 days in a row of relatively hard cycling after around a month of laziness. Need to get back into a more regular routine.

I guess maybe the mid ground is Training Peaks and Indievelo? Although i think that's more aimed at having an actual coaching program rather than an AI based model
Click to expand...

It just got an update where TR pulls in other activities, such as running or strength. One issue I had with it when I was triathlon training is that I would do a long run, but it wouldn't see or factor for that, and not adjust anything for my next ride workout.

It does see those now, but I'm not sure if it account for them still. I did a 7 mile run this morning, and after putting in the TSS, it hasn't changed anything. I even manually changed the TSS to something silly (300 or something), and it still did not change my plan for my ride tomorrow.

I too like the fact it adjusts if you do anything more/outside the planned workouts, but I'm not convinced it's factoring non ride activities yet. Unless I'm doing something wrong.
 
Junglist said:
I wouldn't trust it handling the running bit just yet.

Does Intervals.icu offer that?
Click to expand...
I wouldn't expect it to properly understand running activities, but at least the TSS from the activity should be taken into account.

In TP, I can manually add an activity with a high TSS, and the CTL and fatigue etc will update as appropriate. TR doesn't seem to do that.
 
Shadowness said:
It just got an update where TR pulls in other activities, such as running or strength. One issue I had with it when I was triathlon training is that I would do a long run, but it wouldn't see or factor for that, and not adjust anything for my next ride workout.

It does see those now, but I'm not sure if it account for them still. I did a 7 mile run this morning, and after putting in the TSS, it hasn't changed anything. I even manually changed the TSS to something silly (300 or something), and it still did not change my plan for my ride tomorrow.

I too like the fact it adjusts if you do anything more/outside the planned workouts, but I'm not convinced it's factoring non ride activities yet. Unless I'm doing something wrong.
Click to expand...

That's a shame, as you say, just incorporating TSS wouldn't be a lot to factor in
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom