The Indoor Riding/ Zwift/ TrainerRoad etc. Thread

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Some big days ahead for you, but we all know if anyone can you can! See above for my schedule as it's not that great - different each day & 2 hour gaps between rides. Most stages (for you) will be sub 1 hour.

I'm not feeling 100% at the moment, so that will probably affect me. I certainly won't be racing each one that's for sure!! But will try to keep to a nice tempo pace. I'll enter the A events, but that's mainly for the extra distance, not the pace. We'll see..........
 
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You'll be reet. With that many stages and so few time/opportunities to ride them I can't see the catch-ups being the huge races they where on the actual days anyway! :)
 
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Really enjoyed the TdZ, trying to stay in groups meant that I got a much better workout than if I'd just been riding around on my own. It also meant I had to leave work on time to get back for the evening stages!

Ice at the weekend so I might have to try a couple of workouts now I've done a new FTP test. I'm still not sure it (3.5 w/kg) would translate to the road though, although I do have a Vortex, which seems to over-read a bit.
 
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Hi, all. Looking to splash on my first indoor training rig with Zwift being the thing to do.

Options I have at the moment are Tacx Bushido or the Elite Real Turbo Muin - I appreciate they are different ways of going about the activity, but the former means I can just slot my TT bike in whilst the latter means I can play at higher power sprints and is quieter, etc.

The Bushido has Bluetooth and ANT+ support, whilst the Elite only has ANT+...

Anybody have any experience with either? If so, what do you like/prefer?
 
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Answer has been found to question - who ate all the pies?

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Imagine how fast I'll be when I'm more slender haha. I can't do the whole vegan/proper diet thing.

Massive portion of a stir fry with beef in it for dinner then I had to have a double cheeseburger and large fries at 1am this morning. Add in a heroin like addiction to irn bru and haribo supermix haha.
 
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Hi, all. Looking to splash on my first indoor training rig with Zwift being the thing to do.

Options I have at the moment are Tacx Bushido or the Elite Real Turbo Muin - I appreciate they are different ways of going about the activity, but the former means I can just slot my TT bike in whilst the latter means I can play at higher power sprints and is quieter, etc.

The Bushido has Bluetooth and ANT+ support, whilst the Elite only has ANT+...

Anybody have any experience with either? If so, what do you like/prefer?

I had a similar dilemma last few weeks and went for a Tacx Vortex in the end, 215 on CRC so cheap and a good way in that could lead to a more expensive purchase later on if I get on with Zwift etc and so far I’m enjoying it.
 
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Argh bought a bkool smart go, first one p.o.s. clattering and knackered, box looked like it had been open before. Slung it back at the poor guy in Evans. Just unboxed the second one and the power light doesn't work but the trainer powers up and this one is clattering as well. Poxy things.

Going to go for this one I think. Didn't want to spend that much though :confused: a mate has it and he loves it

https://www.evanscycles.com/tacx-flux-s-smart-turbo-trainer-EV350659
 
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Looks great. Roadie is the trainer expert though so wait for him!

I did another of the 3R events, a strange course on NYC. Always rolling no flat sections. Held onto the A group for 7 mins but when someone else popped i couldn't get off his wheel in time to get over to the bunch and chance gone grrr.

Finished in the main B bunch but felt like I could have ridden a little harder.
 
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Caught up and finished Zwift tour. Done stage 4 at 05:15 on Saturday morning, pedalled for an hour in between then done stage 3 at 07:10. Not far off 3 hours on a turbo and "114km".... Man that was a mundane experience!
I got 6th on stage 4 and 2nd on stage 3. They are nowhere near as competitive they were in their proper time slots but still a good graft/grind.
 
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Stage 6 (AdZ) done last night - my first ever attempt up the Alpe actually:

https://www.strava.com/activities/2122720814#53560687490

Probably not the ideal circumstances for a first ever run really as it was pretty much race pace for 20 mins or so in the lead in so I was starting to feel it before I'd even started the climb! I think the general tactic for a good time seems to be just to coast the run-up to the Alpe, then go for it at the foot of the climb. There is no "coast" during a ToZ stage :p

1hr 1 min for the Alpe - not bad first attempt, can go quicker - will give it another shot in a few weeks time.

Feels good to have some fitness back after two weeks of feeling groggy.
 
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Yesterday was a particularly leg burning day; Team Scream (awesome new TTT video on Sufferfest) plus the goddawful Half is Easy.

I have never wanted to do TTT as much as after that video though. Loved it.

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The support helped :).
 
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Finished the Tour over the weekend, first ride was Stage 7 on Saturday afternoon. I jumped in the ride feeling pretty good/fresh and was surprised even with the small number of riders to bump into an ex clubmate. I thought I'd ridden the course before but around half way up the climb I came to the realisation I hadn't. I'd ridden it far too hard as had ridden it similar to how I ride Box hill, soon became clear it's far far longer! Was utterly empty by the top (sprinting for a false summit didn't help that!) and the rest of the ride just became a battle to keep as high an average as I could and trying to hold every wheel which went past me. Second climb was utterly brutal and a real wake up on how confidence can really ruin a ride/effort and put me into 'just finish' mode. Hilarious now thinking back about it! Big whooops! :D
https://www.strava.com/activities/2119324061 - Came in 25th from around 120 riders. Surprising as I was utterly spent. 1 hour 15 mins at Threshold! (Climb 1 257w & 24:26, Climb 2 227w & 27:45)

Ride 2 was Stage 1 on Sunday, after originally wanting to ride the 8am, yet my garage still being -4 I opted for the 10 o'clock. Thankfully things had 'warmed' up a little to around 0 by then. Was still bitter cold but having a longer warm up helped so got a good tow out to the climb towards the jungle circuit with the lead group. I really enjoy this circuit but having not ridden it in a race for a long time it was quite hard to judge just how hard to ride the climb. My lap times increased gradually throughout, but with mini groups split all over the climb there where no real big groups forming and chasing the smaller. I mostly settled into measured efforts to hold wheels/groups on the climb, making up places on the descents and small amount of flat. I used the bridge as a launchpad several times to close gaps, but only created one once with it.
  • Lap 1 (5:22 climb & 12:02 lap) I felt good.
  • Lap 2 (5:37 climb & 12:36 lap) with things splintered I rested up trying to create a group.
  • Lap 3 (5:44 climb & 12:39 lap) with an ok group worked well and I was feeling strong doing lots of turns.
  • Lap 4 (5:49 climb & 12:44 lap) kept things together with the handful of riders, using them to pace the climb. I could tell they where all lighter than me - so I rested enough to smash them all in the sprint, things being decided between me and 1 other guy in the meters before the line. Thankfully nobody went long as I hadn't got more than 1 kick in me - just made it a good one! Probably my best sprint for a little while.
https://www.strava.com/activities/2121059555 - Came in 28th from around 155 riders.

Happy with how I rode that - certainly after the previous days mistake! Even fatigued from the previous day, I felt stronger. :cool:

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Ice at the weekend so I might have to try a couple of workouts now I've done a new FTP test. I'm still not sure it (3.5 w/kg) would translate to the road though, although I do have a Vortex, which seems to over-read a bit.
Depends on how you want it to translate and how you are measuring things out on the road...

But to compare, my Vortex FTP was getting towards 290w at times, out on the road much more toward 260/270w. On my Flux around 250-260w. So my Flux is more accurate, but seems to under read my peak power when sprinting compared to my PWM (can hit 800/900w on the road). My Vortex would overread by 10% normally and far more in sprints. Sure I even saw 1200w on it at one point!

Couldn't face an hour staring at a graph on TR tonight, so created a custom Zwift workout based on the TR workout I should have been doing. Worked pretty well!
See! Distraction is key at times! Know quite a few people who'll follow plans from TR and have ERG on for that, then have Zwift on alongside using just power (non-erg) so they get a landscape.

Ugh!
Not long done Stage 1 and Stage 2.....a lot harder than planned.
Waiting to start Stage 3, then might call it a day for today and pick up where I left off tomorrow.
Tough ain't it! Hope you're ok buddy, didn't see anything from you on sunday! :o

Hi, all. Looking to splash on my first indoor training rig with Zwift being the thing to do.

Options I have at the moment are Tacx Bushido or the Elite Real Turbo Muin - I appreciate they are different ways of going about the activity, but the former means I can just slot my TT bike in whilst the latter means I can play at higher power sprints and is quieter, etc.

The Bushido has Bluetooth and ANT+ support, whilst the Elite only has ANT+...

Anybody have any experience with either? If so, what do you like/prefer?
Much of your decision should surround over what you have, your budget and what else you need. No point having the Muin if you have an ipad and expecting to run things (for example - ipad is BT only). When you factor in the cost of various other accessories - spare wheels, cassettes, trainer mats, ANT+ dongles, HRM straps, monitor stands, fans. It can get quite expensive regardless of which trainer you choose.

As Shimmy mentioned the Vortex can be had in some pretty spectacular deals (just over £200), would recommend that as the 'starting' trainer for those on a budget as the other cheapest smart trainer (Tacx Flow Smart) is only available 'offline' (Decathlon/Halfords) so is in less deals (and is less of a bargain).

<snip>Add in a heroin like addiction to irn bru and haribo supermix haha.
I lol'd. Although isn't the irn bru thing just part of being Scottish? :D

Argh bought a bkool smart go, first one p.o.s. clattering and knackered, box looked like it had been open before. Slung it back at the poor guy in Evans. Just unboxed the second one and the power light doesn't work but the trainer powers up and this one is clattering as well. Poxy things.

Going to go for this one I think. Didn't want to spend that much though :confused: a mate has it and he loves it

https://www.evanscycles.com/tacx-flux-s-smart-turbo-trainer-EV350659
You can't go wrong with the price point of the Flux. Yes they've had some issues with the v1 but they're mostly resolved now so the v2 (the S) should be trouble/manufacturing fault free (as much as anything else).

I'm using a V1 and am getting on ok with it. Just over a year old. It seems to under read slightly compared to my road PWM but is reliable and consistent. When I bought mine they where £650 and I wish I'd got the Direto instead for only £100 more, but the price gap is much larger now so the flux S at £450/500 is a great buy.

The next thing I would change/upgrade mine for/recommend is probably a Wahoo Kickr Core. But only when they support thru axle and the Climb (and I couldn't justify the Neo).

Although interestingly Wahoo seem to have had just as many manufacturing issues with the Core v1 as Tacx did with their v1 Flux.

Looks great. Roadie is the trainer expert though so wait for him!
Haha no expert! Just been around a little longer than most. I'd always consider DCR the expert and his recommendations have always been what I've followed and gone back to when people need advice (and I'm unsure). All of my experience with products so far mostly aligns with his. So he's the 'oracle'!
 
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See! Distraction is key at times! Know quite a few people who'll follow plans from TR and have ERG on for that, then have Zwift on alongside using just power (non-erg) so they get a landscape.

It really is. I'm considering getting an Ant+ dongle for my phone so that I can have TR on my phone and then Zwift on the Apple TV via Bluetooth. My Vectors can do BT/Ant+ simultaneously, as can my Wahoo TICKR HR monitor. For next winter I think I might take the plunge and buy a proper 'smart' trainer as I'm really enjoying training indoors this year.
 
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Went with the Bushido in the end for the top-end power tolerance (part-time weightlifter means my 1-5s output is pretty high)... will see what happens!

Thanks for the suggestions above!
 
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See! Distraction is key at times! Know quite a few people who'll follow plans from TR and have ERG on for that, then have Zwift on alongside using just power (non-erg) so they get a landscape.
I don't follow this. I turbo because I'm time poor and more able to put in short hard efforts. I also actually enjoy it. I guess its the same reason I don't run to music whereas most people can't stand it.

In fact I actually love the new sufferfest app, with their novid workouts. Just me, the bike, and the graphs. Turn those pedals baby.
 
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