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The Intel Arc owners thread

humbug said:
I'll put it another way.

You see this for £360?

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According to TPU the B580 needs to gain 31% to match that at 1440P, lets say Intel put out some B770 GPU that can, with the B580 already being £300 what makes you think the B770 will be significantly cheaper than £360?
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Agreed. B580 is less powerful, software DX9, high CPU usage, not as mature drivers as AMD, not as nice control panel £60 more- that's nothing for the gain in all of that I'd rather have the AMD. Watching this video it's not like it's 10fps difference in every game, it's literally sometimes 50% difference.

 
hornetstinger said:
Agreed. B580 is less powerful, software DX9, high CPU usage, not as mature drivers as AMD, not as nice control panel £60 more- that's nothing for the gain in all of that I'd rather have the AMD. Watching this video it's not like it's 10fps difference in every game, it's literally sometimes 50% difference.

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Yeah, i think TPU 30% on average is right, that's a long way to go to catch up a GPU that's a sub £400 GPU.

Its the same in the US, i just looked on one of the large US store chains and the cheapest available B580 is $370, its been like that since the first batch of the B580 was sold out, every reviewer has these in some form of wording or another as "fantastic and excellent value"

Its not just me saying this some of the Youtubers have picked up on this too, its a form of jibating and Intel are no strangers with this, the price they have always quoted for their CPU's was volume tray pricing and Youtubers have always quoted that as the price never realising this is not the retail price, its present by Intel as the retail price but if you care to search through the mase of small print links you will eventually get to how Intel have always defined this pricing, its no surprise they do the same bait and switch with their GPU pricing because its always worked for them. Its never challenged.

If they do put out an RX 7700 XT competing B770 it will be advertised as $350, the first batch will be $350, all the reviewers will put excellent value badges all of their review pages and as soon as they no longer care the GPU's are $450.

I don't blame Intel, i would do exactly the same. the problem is we have a press that is either complicit or stupid.

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Emlyn_Dewar said:
You can easily get a B580 for retail price in China. US scalping does not = rest of the world.
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Not sure where you're seeing those? All I've seen are £300+?

I'm in the market again now, I'd settled on a B580 but with the promise of the B770 on the way I'm tempted to hold onto my RX480 for a couple more months, few long weekends coming up though with nothing to do so I'm tempted still!

I keep looking back at the ATI cards but they just don't appear to be available for decent prices alongside the Nvidia cards.
 
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So for those of you who care, here is a quick summary after living with the B580 for almost a week.

Pros
  • If you get it close enough to MSRP it punches above its weight class.
  • Overall pretty decent performance even at 3440x1440.
  • Can play most games at decent settings and get around 70-80+ frames.
Cons
  • Drivers are a mess, I think we need to go back to around ATI HD 4870 days to find something comparable to how messy it can get.
    Example, driver version 101.6559 causes the start menu in windows 10 on my system to bug out and take ages to appear, also the driver service fails somehow causing the control panel for the gfx to not want to open. Closing the service manually and reopening the control panel fixes this.
    Version 101.6557 didn't have this problem but had severe stutter in games like Guardian of the Galaxy among others.
  • GFX control panel crashes when changing bit depth.

There is a high probability that I'm going to return it. I don't have the patient for this amount of issues. However, I certainly hope Intel continues to work on Arc and have found the ownership rather interesting and I mean that not necessarily in a negative way.

EDIT: Important detail I forgot. I was using windows 10 22H2. Seems the B580 works better on Windows 11 24H2. So fare most issues are gone. Marvel Rivals doesn't crash to desktop on start. Performance is solid and steady. I'll report back once I've given Win 11 a good go with the B580. I just ffing hate Win 11.
 
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Phixsator said:
So for those of you who care, here is a quick summary after living with the B580 for almost a week.

Pros
  • If you get it close enough to MSRP it punches above its weight class.
  • Overall pretty decent performance even at 3440x1440.
  • Can play most games at decent settings and get around 70-80+ frames.
Cons
  • Drivers are a mess, I think we need to go back to around ATI HD 4870 days to find something comparable to how messy it can get.
    Example, driver version 101.6559 causes the start menu in windows 10 on my system to bug out and take ages to appear, also the driver service fails somehow causing the control panel for the gfx to not want to open. Closing the service manually and reopening the control panel fixes this.
    Version 101.6557 didn't have this problem but had severe stutter in games like Guardian of the Galaxy among others.
  • GFX control panel crashes when changing bit depth.

There is a high probability that I'm going to return it. I don't have the patient for this amount of issues. However, I certainly hope Intel continues to work on Arc and have found the ownership rather interesting and I mean that not necessarily in a negative way.

EDIT: Important detail I forgot. I was using windows 10 22H2. Seems the B580 works better on Windows 11 24H2. So fare most issues are gone. Marvel Rivals doesn't crash to desktop on start. Performance is solid and steady. I'll report back once I've given Win 11 a good go with the B580. I just ffing hate Win 11.
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Very interested in how you're finding it, I'm on the verge of going B580, B770, or hunting for a second hand 4060 for this weekend - love giving myself a deadline :p had a 3060 come up local for £150 too which may be worth a look.
 
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DHR said:
Very interested in how you're finding it, I'm on the verge of going B580, B770, or hunting for a second hand 4069 for this weekend - love giving myself a deadline :p
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I returned it. Performance, while decent is a little on the lower end, for what I'm looking for. That said it did impress me, it could play Cyberpunk at 3440x1440 just fine on high settings using upscaling and no RT(duh :) ). XeSS is certainly better than FSR 3.x and below. I did retain some bugs from windows 10 in 11 such as slow browser start(4-7 sec delay), also the drivers don't uninstall correctly.

To be honest I never expected to keep the card but a mix of I don't play anything at, waiting for RDNA 4 and the driver bugs(nothing OS breaking, just a small annoyance here and there) caused me to return it a bit earlier than expected. It's a GPU I can recommend under the right circumstances.
 
humbug said:
I'll put it another way.

You see this for £360?

www.overclockers.co.uk

Powercolor Radeon RX 7700 XT Fighter 12GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Order Powercolor Radeon RX 7700 XT Fighter 12GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card now online and benefit from fast delivery.
www.overclockers.co.uk www.overclockers.co.uk

According to TPU the B580 needs to gain 31% to match that at 1440P, lets say Intel put out some B770 GPU that can, with the B580 already being £300 what makes you think the B770 will be significantly cheaper than £360?
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I'm wondering if that was a promo price to clear old inventory or something because the asking price has sky rocketed well past £400 now.
 
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humbug said:
They are £300, like every other GPU in its class.
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Not according to OCUK: they're £275. But I agree: that's £75 too much. But the cheapest RX 7700 XT card I can spot is over £100 more expensive. And don't forget, sometimes people just don't have that extra £100.
 
New driver

Intel said:
Gaming Highlights:

Intel® Game On Driver support on Intel® Arc™ B-series, A-series Graphics GPUs and Intel® Core™ Ultra with built-in Intel® Arc™ GPUs for:

  • FragPunk*
  • Grand Theft Auto V Enhanced*
  • Monster Hunter: Wilds*
  • Split Fiction*
Game performance improvements on Intel® Arc™ B-series Graphics GPUs versus Intel® 32.0.101.6559 software driver for:

  • Like A Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii* (DX12)
    • Up to 6% average FPS uplift at 1440p with Highest settings
    • Up to 9% average FPS uplift at 1080p with Highest settings
  • Black Myth: Wukong*(DX12)
    • Up to 5% average FPS uplift at 1080p with High settings
  • Monster Hunter: Wilds* (DX12)
    • Up to 5% average FPS uplift at 1440p with Ultra settings
Game performance improvements on Intel® Core™ Ultra Series 2 with built-in Intel® Arc™ GPUs versus Intel® 32.0.101.6559 software driver for:

  • Like A Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii* (DX12)
    • Up to 5% average FPS uplift at 1080p with Medium settings
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Just managed to squeeze in a Helldivers 2 mission, 4K, 'Medium' settings with 'Quality' scaling, it actually kept a locked 60fps apart from a few hitches, where it went back up again. Temps are really good, not above 70c, the whole PC is using less than 200W, not bad for gaming at 4K. Will try some other games later when I've got more time.
 
My repaste on the bifrost helped, but not for long at all. Got some PTM7950 ordered today, and will apply that and change the thermal putty at the weekend.
I just want to stop the fans ramping quite as much. Nearly felt like I was ready to replace it with the 9070 pricing and all-but-confirmed 7900XT performance, but it still does everything I want it to. Can easily get another year out of it.
 
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A little trick for those of you who want to play CS or older titles not running on vulkan or DX12. Use -Vulkan for CS or DXVK from github for older games. Helps a lot with the performance in the tests I ran.
 
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