The joy of being a landlord

I was thinking of renting mine out again, but as soon as my lease extension is completed it's going asap.

It seems the lease extension will take forever and a day, just tryng to get the solicitors to talk to each other is becoming a chore. so, from the agents..

I am pleased to confirm that I have found a young couple who would like to rent your flat.
The young lady receives benefits (including PIP, disability benefit) and the young man is a student (computing) and also works. The young lady’s mother is happy to be guarantor.
They are both well spoken and told me they live a very quiet life and are very boring.
They would be paying £XXX pcm.
I couldn’t get the outgoing tenant to decorate. The deposit does not work that way. They would have asked how much and how long ago so we would not be able to claim.

I have offered the new couple contribution towards paint.

Here we go again :eek:
Lets hope it works for all of us.
BTW the tenants have a month and a half free rent to decorate, which should be enough to replicate the Sistine chapel several times over, with a few Banksies thrown in.
 
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There will be something to allow the property to be reclaimed for sale/owner moving back in.
Will there? Where have you seen this confirmed?

No it's not sacred, that's a ridiculous argument, I made it very clear I'm pro getting rid of S21, with the caveat that other changes need to be made at the same time.
 
It seems the lease extension will take forever and a day, just tryng to get the solicitors to talk to each other is becoming a chore. so, from the agents..

I am pleased to confirm that I have found a young couple who would like to rent your flat.
The young lady receives benefits (including PIP, disability benefit) and the young man is a student (computing) and also works. The young lady’s mother is happy to be guarantor.
They are both well spoken and told me they live a very quiet life and are very boring.
They would be paying £XXX pcm.
I couldn’t get the outgoing tenant to decorate. The deposit does not work that way. They would have asked how much and how long ago so we would not be able to claim.

I have offered the new couple contribution towards paint.

Here we go again :eek:
Lets hope it works for all of us.
BTW the tenants have a month and a half free rent to decorate, which should be enough to replicate the Sistine chapel several times over, with a few Banksies thrown in.

Seriously, don't use an agent, learn how to do everything yourself and just use an agent for tenant find. You shouldn't be getting tenants to do decorating.
 
Ref my previous post, it’s half a months rent to decorate as they see fit, not 1 1/2 months rent.
I guess if they get the place to their liking they may stay put for a long while (I loathe decorating).
The agents charge £50pm to manage everything which for me is well worth the price.
Tbh I want to just rent it out and forget about it and certainly don’t want to be dealing with anything.
I’d rather sell it, but until the lease extension is completed I’m unable to.
 
Also @Maple Leaf thanks for confirming the misuse of S21 to deal with tenants reporting problems.

There seems to be something wrong with your reading comprehension, I said there was NOTHING wrong with the property in question. If you block up the window ventilators, never open the windows, keep the (full length) curtains closed 24/7 in your bedroom, vape in there (illegal in a HMO) and run kettles/rice cookers in there then you are guaranteed to eventually get black mould. That is due to tenant carelessness and neglect not to an issue with the property; like a leaking pipe or a leaky roof etc. I spent over £600 on automatic dehumidifiers for each of my tenants, but I've had tenants who never use them. So the black mould is my fault, is it?

I have to inspect tenants' rooms regularly to stop issues like this. When I discover black mould I promptly disinfect and remove it. (Repainting is necessary in many cases too.) I have to do that because it's a safety hazard (although the tenant who caused it is usually uninterested in it and complains about giving me access to remove it), but also because if the Council does an inspection then regardless of how it was caused I am the one who will get the blame for it.

I would never evict a tenant for reporting problems. But if you have a tenant who persistently refuses to take care of a property and by their neglect causes black mould (requiring you to come and disinfect it frequently), or destroys an expensive inter-linked smoke detector because of the alarm it sounds when he is illegally smoking/vaping in his room (which I have also had) then you have to think about your options. The only time I have evicted a tenant was when I had one who became abusive and threatened another tenant with a kitchen knife. I suppose that makes me a bad landlord in your eyes?
 
Will there? Where have you seen this confirmed?

No it's not sacred, that's a ridiculous argument, I made it very clear I'm pro getting rid of S21, with the caveat that other changes need to be made at the same time.
Yes it has been said multiple times, they wont get rid of S21 without putting something in its place for getting the property back to sell/move in.

The intention is to prevent S21 being used to evict tenants to then replace them with new one's bypassing the legal process, not to prevent landlords from getting their properties back after they decide they dont want to rent it out anymore. Of course proper notice will need to be given and out of contract, but will be something there.
 
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There seems to be something wrong with your reading comprehension, I said there was NOTHING wrong with the property in question. If you block up the window ventilators, never open the windows, keep the (full length) curtains closed 24/7 in your bedroom, vape in there (illegal in a HMO) and run kettles/rice cookers in there then you are guaranteed to eventually get black mould. That is due to tenant carelessness and neglect not to an issue with the property; like a leaking pipe or a leaky roof etc. I spent over £600 on automatic dehumidifiers for each of my tenants, but I've had tenants who never use them. So the black mould is my fault, is it?

I have to inspect tenants' rooms regularly to stop issues like this. When I discover black mould I promptly disinfect and remove it. (Repainting is necessary in many cases too.) I have to do that because it's a safety hazard (although the tenant who caused it is usually uninterested in it and complains about giving me access to remove it), but also because if the Council does an inspection then regardless of how it was caused I am the one who will get the blame for it.

I would never evict a tenant for reporting problems. But if you have a tenant who persistently refuses to take care of a property and by their neglect causes black mould (requiring you to come and disinfect it frequently), or destroys an expensive inter-linked smoke detector because of the alarm it sounds when he is illegally smoking/vaping in his room (which I have also had) then you have to think about your options. The only time I have evicted a tenant was when I had one who became abusive and threatened another tenant with a kitchen knife. I suppose that makes me a bad landlord in your eyes?
This is how I interpreted your post, you said you agree with the use of S21 after a legal decision that rules in favour of the tenant over things like mould has been made.

Did I misinterpret you?

Do those dehumidifiers run of your own electric meter? Or do they pay for the cost of running them? Also what is the insulation like in the properties? Share the grade if you can.

Usually when I see stories of mould and the like, the insulation is trash in the property or something has been discovered that caused it. My own room has had mould, and although I have gone for spells during very cold weather I havent opened the window, (a) I had 9 months where I couldnt open any window due to LL leaving scaffolding up and (b) it has since been discovered the cause was external.

If all you doing is removing mould, in my opinion whilst its better than nothing, you not doing enough if you not investigating the cause, you might have your own opinion, but opinion isnt fact. What investigation did you carry out to determine that tenant caused it, and by which professionals?
 
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This is how I interpreted your post, you said you agree with the use of S21 after a legal decision that rules in favour of the tenant over things like mould has been made. Did I misinterpret you?

Yes, you misinterpreted me. I never suggested that.

After living in HMO's for many years (as a tenant and then a landlord) I know of several cases where landlords used Section 21 notices to get tenants to change their bad conduct. For example, where a tenant had engaged in anti-social/threatening behaviour to other tenants or owed a lot of money for rent/energy bills etc, then the landlord would issue one but later withdraw it if the tenant changed their ways before the 2 months was up. Therefore, by removing Section 21 you remove a useful tool for good HMO landlords to manage their properties effectively.

If a problem tenant leaves 2 months after being issued with a Section 21 notice (no Court appearance) then he will not have a CCJ on public record against him, even if he was a tenant from Hell. On the other hand, if he has to go through, for example, Section 8 proceedings (Court appearance) then there will be a CCJ against him. Hence, Section 21 can actually protect a tenant's reputation when the landlord just wants to cut his losses and get his property back. Otherwise, the tenant may struggle to rent another property if the landlord/letting agent does a CCJ check.

Do those dehumidifiers run of your own electric meter? Or do they pay for the cost of running them?

When I lived elsewhere (rented a room in cities where I was working) I used to compensate them for the dehumidifiers' energy use for the programmed number of hours every day. (Of course, they often unplugged them so they were getting money for nothing.) Now that I share the same house with them and have to collect their energy payments from them retrospectively the cost automatically comes off my account and I don't charge them for that.

Also what is the insulation like in the properties? Share the grade if you can.

The rooms are all double glazed with UPVC frames, there is cavity wall insulation and there is 30 centimetres of 3-year-old loft insulation. It would not be practical to add additional internal wall insulation and external wall insulation would be refused by the local planning department.

The problem is that many of my tenants are from southern Europe, Pakistan, India, the Far East etc and they are used to higher temperatures all year round, hence some of them don't open windows or like the ventilators.

Usually when I see stories of mould and the like, the insulation is trash in the property or something has been discovered that caused it. My own room has had mould, and although I have gone for spells during very cold weather I havent opened the window, (a) I had 9 months where I couldnt open any window due to LL leaving scaffolding up and (b) it has since been discovered the cause was external.

I had a landlord who didn't fix the shower for a month after it broke down in our HMO and another who left us for weeks without a functional toilet because he insisted there was nothing wrong with it (even though he never even came out to look). Now that I am a landlord with lodgers (to help pay my home's mortgage) I have vowed never to behave like them. In fact, I am probably too generous to my lodgers. As a landlord you often do get taken advantage of if you don't put your foot down.

Mould is caused by moisture on the walls/ceiling etc. That moisture can come from a leaking roof or pipe, but it can also come from condensation due to excessively high humidity levels caused by the ventilation being cut off and the release of too much water vapour in a room. You can have all the insulation you like but if humidity levels are too high you will still get condensation and mould.

As I said before, I have had tenants who never ran the provided (and fully paid for) dehumidifiers, blocked up all the window ventilators, never opened the windows, kept the (full length) curtains closed 24/7 in their bedroom, vaped in the rooms (illegal in a HMO) and ran kettles/rice cookers in there producing and trapping a lot of water vapour.

If all you doing is removing mould, in my opinion whilst its better than nothing, you not doing enough if you not investigating the cause, you might have your own opinion, but opinion isnt fact. What investigation did you carry out to determine that tenant caused it, and by which professionals?

I have lived in these rooms myself for years previously and not had a mould problem. I have had many sensible tenants who lived in them and never had a mould problem. But I have had a small number of tenants who lived in them and had a mould problem and by a strange coincidence they were the people who blocked off the ventilators, kept the windows and curtains shut 24/7, vaped, ran kettles and rice cookers etc. That's empirical evidence. I don't need to pay through the nose for a "professional" to tell me something that is obvious.

If you need to resort to dehumidifiers and all that nonsense then you need to sort out your property. Simple as that.

Did you read any of my previous replies? There's nothing wrong with the property. How would you suggest I "sort out my property" to stop people from blocking up ventilators, keeping curtains and windows closed 24/7 in their rooms, vaping (which is illegal in a HMO) and running kettles/rice cookers in there?

There's no magic fix like somehow adding more insulation to the walls. Unfortunately, detection of problems and enforcement of rules is the only way round it. Of course, @chrcoluk will hate that.
 
It seems the lease extension will take forever and a day, just tryng to get the solicitors to talk to each other is becoming a chore. so, from the agents..

I am pleased to confirm that I have found a young couple who would like to rent your flat.
The young lady receives benefits (including PIP, disability benefit) and the young man is a student (computing) and also works. The young lady’s mother is happy to be guarantor.
They are both well spoken and told me they live a very quiet life and are very boring.
They would be paying £XXX pcm.
I couldn’t get the outgoing tenant to decorate. The deposit does not work that way. They would have asked how much and how long ago so we would not be able to claim.

I have offered the new couple contribution towards paint.

Here we go again :eek:
Lets hope it works for all of us.
BTW the tenants have a month and a half free rent to decorate, which should be enough to replicate the Sistine chapel several times over, with a few Banksies thrown in.
Kudos to u for considering someone on benefits. Afaik most landlords won't nowadays, I've tried and failed several times. I work part time now but also receive PIP & ESA long term, I know I'd be a good tenant but how can I convince a landlord of that? I bet once they've been fugged over once by a bad tenant on benefits, that's it, no more.
 
Angel land lord getting tenants to decorate :cry: :cry:

I've noticed quite a bit, especially with eastern Europeans, when posting on the local area Facebook groups, etc. asking for accommodation that they'll offer to do renovations for a free first or last month. As to how genuine or quality of work I couldn't say.
 
I was under the impression that my outgoing tenant had decorated, and I only knew they hadn't was when I got the email from my agents that I posted above.
They offered the tenant a first month rent discount if they'd decorate and they agreed, so not much I could do different tbh (I did however increase the discount substantially).
 
Kudos to u for considering someone on benefits. Afaik most landlords won't nowadays, I've tried and failed several times. I work part time now but also receive PIP & ESA long term, I know I'd be a good tenant but how can I convince a landlord of that?
Don't they one on one interview you first before making a decision?, or is all just done on paper?
For all their failings my agents are extremely good at vetting prospective tenants and have turned down quite a few before putting forward the current ones.
I'm way more interested in the character of the tenant than their disability status.
 
I live in it with them. Where would you suggest I live instead?

Let me guess, you're an angry renter who lives in London? Ever thought of moving to a cheaper part of the country where you can buy?

Didn't think you lived in it.

I rent in London yes but i am not an angry renter.

You jumped to conclusions, sell it because the insane hassle, changes in laws will make more hassle.

Also to buy you need to have belief that, the area, or the region, is getting better over time, its going the other way.
 
Kudos to u for considering someone on benefits. Afaik most landlords won't nowadays, I've tried and failed several times. I work part time now but also receive PIP & ESA long term, I know I'd be a good tenant but how can I convince a landlord of that? I bet once they've been fugged over once by a bad tenant on benefits, that's it, no more.

Thats a huge problem. Unfortunately, far too many people on benefits are not good tenants. There are houses on my road with a very high turnover of tenants and they are far too often the absolute dregs of society. I know its not fair or correct but as a landlord I would much rather rent to someone in work than on benefits because a bad tenant can cost you tens of thousands of pounds.
 
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