What's the difference with a player celebrating his birthday and a club Xmas party following a ******* performance? Would you expect the club to cancel the xmas party?
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I agree with what you're saying but that doesn't mean he's not allowed to do it and have his manager telling the press it's unacceptable. I said after the Sancho issue that ETH's comments to the press were needless and everything blew up as a result of them and this just feels needless again. If he wasn't happy with Rashford then he could have said something to him in private but stop feeding the monster that is the press with your comments.oh don't i know it
i disagree. it's not a good look for the player(s) and common sense would lead me to not be going out to a party in public having just played like a lemon. it just sends a great big **** you to the fans. almost like a 'played crap today but so what' attitude. that obviously wouldn't have been the intention but it's certainly not a good look, imo.
And before somebody says he was asked about it, I'm sure he was but he didn't have to criticise the player. Stop creating headlines with your comments.
yes, i would. if the form and defeat warranted it. it's happened before you know, clubs cancelling parties. there's also a difference between a club arranged party and an individuals privately arranged birthday party. you're being a bit disingenuous if you're arguing they are the same thing/equivalent.
He didn't just have a word though, he went to the bloody press to tell the world that Rashford's had to apologise for having a birthday party.
That and the bloody drama with Sancho, could have been avoided with a bit of bloody managerial nous. Some people respond well to criticism, a tiny few respond well to public criticism.
ETH doesn't seem to know how to manage people from the evidence so far. He had abjectly failed to get performances out of anyone in the squad, and is making a habit of very public fallings out with expensive players who end up departing.
oh i agree, eth is a bit quick to vocalise his displeasure for sure. however, i still think he's correct in this situation.
the press went to him and asked about it - afaik. yea he could have maybe worded his replies better but then maybe if the players weren't so far up their own aholes he'd not have had to answer any questions about parties.
**** Sancho to be perfectly honest. eth and the club from what i can see had done everything they could to help the lad. he's still acting like a sausage so, yea, screw him.
he could do with falling out with a few more and getting them to depart.
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I suppose that's the difference between a manager thats known for their man management skills and someone who isnt, I remember when Liverpool were having a sticky patch around xmas time a few years back and folks asked that question of klopp and his basic response was why would we cancel it, doesnt make sense to.
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He wasn’t happy with him in training or in the games. He absolutely correct in the matter Sancho has been shocking for a £70m player.
i remember that situation vaguely and cancelling the chrimbo party probably would have been a bit excessive and pointless. in this instance though i've absolutely no doubt rashfords party should never have went ahead.
edit: seems it was his klopps first season.....yea, i don't think he was ever cancelling that party.
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We haven't even been linked with him 
The Sancho situation is an abject failure on ETH's part, let alone every other player on the squad he's similarly incapable of getting a performance out of. Anyone thinking he's winning by having a valuable player out of the team over a social media tiff is off their head.
How to motivate a team low on confidence and form? Hell yeah let's cancel their birthday parties. I'm sure if they sit at home and stare at the wall for an evening they'll be super motivated and in the right mindset.
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What do you suggest he'd done with Sancho?
I dunno, perhaps something that didn't leave us with a 70m asset training on his own.
If one of the seniors on my team was suspended for falling out with me, it would be my bloody responsibility for allowing that to happen.
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So you have no suggestion. Also he wasn't suspended for falling out with him. He was suspended for whining in public about the team and refusing to apologise. ETh has given him multiple routes back, he's just a selfish, spoilt brat. To do this under any manager is inexcusable but to do it to one that defended him to the hilt last season and even gave him multiple months off to help him get into the right headspace to do his job is embarrassing.
If you can't come up with a better action then you can't have a go at someone for mismanagement. Perhaps, and this is a wild concept, Sancho is just at fault?
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My suggestion is simple : be a better manager. Clearly Sancho has reacted very badly to being publicly criticised, and ETH has grossly misjudged the appropriate way to deal with him. He escalated a situation rather than mediated it, and has directly contributed to the **** atmosphere in the dressing room.
When you manage people, if they don't perform, it's your responsibility as a manager. You don't try and blame the people under you.
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So how do you drop someone without giving a public reason in football? It's impossible. You couldn't even keep it quiet for a week let alone months. He'd already been criticised and punished in private and had not responded how else can ETH deal with it? Responsibility falls on the individual, not the manager in the end. If you aren't doing your job you get disciplined. Suggesting that Sancho should be able to act how he wants and get away with it is absolutely pathetic and you should be ashamed. As to it contributing to the **** atmosphere in the dressing room you've pulled that out of your arse. The only people that will complain are those that shouldn't be at the club. If we can root them out now then brilliant. No place for lazy people who want to coast.
Ten Hag has seemingly mollycoddled and supported sancho a great deal. He didn’t respond/repay that treatment with performances, either in game or or training. At some point you have to stop ‘holding people’s hands’ and just tell them to get on with it.
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I have been a manager for 25+ years in Retail and Hospitality. I have managed over those years probably 300 different people. I train every single one. All performed 100% how I expect after my training. No issues. My current batch, nah. I cannot make them perform to standards my company requires. I have trained them. listened to them, gave them advice, gave them many benefit of the doubt situations. but no, nothing. I blame the current culture. The batch I have are all 18-22 years old. (not all 18-22 y/o are the same so dont for one second I am tarring the same brush)
Not all humans can do as you ask, no matter how much you train/manage them.
Sancho needs to **** off.
This really. He’s had seemingly multiple opportunities afforded to him and has taken none of them. He’s now salty and huffing. Tough, he’s now at the stage where it’s either perform or **** off.