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This is the crux - the fans (opposing or completely delusional united ones), the media and the majority of this forum want the easy ponit of blame. It's much easier to target an individual... but the problem is we have a squad of players who have existed across managers and remain the problem. They are inconsistent, with poor discipline and at times work ethic due to this. A manager can bring out the best in stuttering talents but the reality is...

Rashford
Martial
Lindelof
Maquire
Dalot
Shaw
McTominay
Fred
AWB (I know he's performing a bit better but he's still not good enough and just better than Dalot defensively)
Bruno - Possibly rescuable but his emotions are all over the shop which means he's a liability/inconsistent

All don't belong in a top team and wouldn't get into any other top starting 11 or arguebly even a bench IMO. Stop looking at the fees paid and their ages as evidence for value or comapring to other teams players. I can buy a kit kat for £10, it doesn't mean it's worth a tenner, it means I'm either desperate or completely careless with my money.

They need removing but wages/contracts and the gravy train prevent this. That's the operating side of the clubs fault. Not a manager who's been handed a **** sandwich and told you can only replace a few elements (of a 20 piece samich) every year... Expecting that to be a short process of 1 year is completely delusional from anyone. And that's without taking account injuries, ownership, personalities and outside problems.

ETH hasn't had the opportunity due to a lot of circumstances, to remotely set about developing a true squad to represent his ideals. That doesn't mean he hasn't made mistakes, but his mistakes are not remotely the largest factor for the results. Having a starting 11 every week that largely involves the above is the reason for the results, ups and down and turmoil.

Football isn't as simple as people like to envision it
I'm not convinced by ETH purchases but perhaps they were a case of better than nothing.

You can add Antony, Mount and Onana to that list. Arguably Holland as well, £70m on a kid that's played one season, high risk.
 
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I actually think Shaw is one of the best left backs in the country on his day, and Bruno without a doubt is a brilliant player capable of brilliant things. I think he's a horrible captain but absolutely we're a better team with him when he's not crying, which admittedly is a lot this season

I posted before, but McTominay is how I'm measuring the state of our club and the strength of our squad. As unfair as it is on him given he really does try, and he's one of the few players that does, but ability wise, while he's still making it in to a starting 11, or even on the bench, our squad just simply isn't good enough. When United are in a position where they have a squad that McTominay is no longer needed in and he's sold, I know we'll have recruited well and making progress. But he's survived way too many managers now and it's just not good enough that he makes it in the team week in week out.

I think we need to get rid of:
Casemiro
Eriksen
Evans
Maguire
McTominay
Varane
Dalot
Martial

And I'd absolutely, if I had my way, do it all next summer. We are in a messy period anyway where we're not going to see success any time soon, and a lot of those players have 1-2 years max left in them, so may as well have short term pain now in terms of the squad rather than it click now and then we're back to square one when most of those are too old/sold to Saudi in a years time and we have to bring in new players anyway
 
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My hope is that some SA teams come in for Casemiro and Varane. Casemiro is just too far off the pace too often and has absolutely zero chill when it comes to tempering his play style. Eriksen will be gone very soon, Evans will be the same. Maguire might but due to all our injuries I feel he hasn't been given the "you're not part of our plans at all" hint that he would need to leave.

Dalot is far too prone to complete lapses of concentration. He even looks at the player that ghosts in behind him half the time and still fails to do anything. Hes nearly good enough as backup but honestly we should have someone who is making AwB backup. Martial should have been binned off years ago.
 
My hope is that some SA teams come in for Casemiro and Varane. Casemiro is just too far off the pace too often and has absolutely zero chill when it comes to tempering his play style. Eriksen will be gone very soon, Evans will be the same. Maguire might but due to all our injuries I feel he hasn't been given the "you're not part of our plans at all" hint that he would need to leave.

Dalot is far too prone to complete lapses of concentration. He even looks at the player that ghosts in behind him half the time and still fails to do anything. Hes nearly good enough as backup but honestly we should have someone who is making AwB backup. Martial should have been binned off years ago.

Casemio is apparently on 350k until 2026

Varane is here (well, on the bench) until 2025
 
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Casemio is apparently on 350k until 2026

Varane is here until 2025

If Saudi come in and offer him bonkers money, then we’re not going to stop him and I’d imagine they’d give a decent fee as well, albeit not as much as we paid. Same for Varane
 
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Also all this talk of players. I've not been paying much attention but what's happened to Amrabat? Wasn't he supposed to be the saviour?
 
Also all this talk of players. I've not been paying much attention but what's happened to Amrabat? Wasn't he supposed to be the saviour?
He's playing exactly like he did for fiorentina? Or did people actually think he played at the same level week in week out that he did in the wc?
 
I actually think Shaw is one of the best left backs in the country on his day, and Bruno without a doubt is a brilliant player capable of brilliant things. I think he's a horrible captain but absolutely we're a better team with him when he's not crying, which admittedly is a lot this season

I posted before, but McTominay is how I'm measuring the state of our club and the strength of our squad. As unfair as it is on him given he really does try, and he's one of the few players that does, but ability wise, while he's still making it in to a starting 11, or even on the bench, our squad just simply isn't good enough. When United are in a position where they have a squad that McTominay is no longer needed in and he's sold, I know we'll have recruited well and making progress. But he's survived way too many managers now and it's just not good enough that he makes it in the team week in week out.

I think we need to get rid of:
Casemiro
Eriksen
Evans
Maguire
McTominay
Varane
Dalot
Martial
Shaw is a decent defender. I'm happy with the balance he offers. He crosses decent, get forward ok and arguably played his best games at CB last season. At 28 he should be good for 2/3 seasons. I tend to agree on McTominay - he shouldn't be in the strongest eleven but teams always have players like him who aren't mega stars but provide situational utility. Think John O'Shea, Darren Fletcher, Anderson, Tom Cleverly. Cover players who won't let you down but aren't starters.

You probably need to add van der Beek to the list and maybe Hannibal who is too good to be occasional bench warmer.

Realistically I can't see Casemiro going at the end of this season. I think he has a point to prove but he will need legs beside him. It's a perfect chance to bring Mainoo through and give him experience playing alongside Casemiro. Eriksen should be a bench player or starter vs lower half teams. I also think Bruno is a problem as captain much as I admire his ability.
Dalot is far too prone to complete lapses of concentration. He even looks at the player that ghosts in behind him half the time and still fails to do anything. Hes nearly good enough as backup but honestly we should have someone who is making AwB backup.
He's short of the top level but can improve. I feel a bit sorry for him as I think he's a player that has been played into the ground and it's no wonder his performances tail off in matches. Him and AWB aren't the most pressing problems
 
Very underwhelming news and sums up the state of this sesspool of a club.

I'm really trying to distance myself from it.

It's a good thing, anything that triggers change in relation to the Glazers can only be viewed as a positive.

Yes, it's not the full sale people wanted, but the alternative is no change, and that would be terrible.

It appears he will have control of football operations, and surely the Glazers will know they are bad at this, so should leave him to it.
 
It's a good thing, anything that triggers change in relation to the Glazers can only be viewed as a positive.

It appears he will have control of football operations, and surely the Glazers will know they are bad at this, so should leave him to it.
Unless he turns out as bad as they are.

Also, I worry you have faith in the Glazers being aware of, or believing, they are bad at something. ;)
 
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Unless he turns out as bad as they are.

Also, I worry you have faith in the Glazers being aware of, or believing they are bad at something. ;)

The same would apply to any new owner, we just have to wait and see.

I am fairly confident he's a much smarter guy than the Glazers, that's for sure.
 
It appears he will have control of football operations, and surely the Glazers will know they are bad at this, so should leave him to it.

If the glazers had that level of self awareness they wouldn't have run the club so badly for so long. Its not like they couldn't implement a far better structure if they wanted to. Thats quite literally why you hire people to do certain jobs.
 
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