The Marvels

Shamikebab · 20 Nov 2023 at 13:34

So a big part of the issue is misogyny and people don't want female characters? The baddie was bland but I wouldn't say the main three were bland (Monica is probably the closest but that is just lack of screen time, she had a small part in Wandavision and has to support this film too). Ms Marvel is a really cool character and her family are just perfect. Carol is hardly bland, having to face that she can't just overpower an issue and face up to the fact she needs allies and completely ****** up the Kree is actually a pretty interesting story. She's no more bland than Thor who has very similar arrogance issues.

It's a far better film than both the last Thor and Ant-Man. There is only one scene that doesn't work for me.

C Kent · 20 Nov 2023 at 13:36

Shamikebab said:
So a big part of the issue is misogyny and people don't want female characters?

Yes it's obviously misogyny, well done Shami. Remind me what's the biggest box office hit of 2023?

Shamikebab · 20 Nov 2023 at 13:44

C Kent said:
Yes it's obviously misogyny, well done Shami. Remind me what's the biggest box office hit of 2023?

Well you said the fanbase doesn't want female superheroes unless there are male too. What is that if not misogny?

IvanDobskey · 20 Nov 2023 at 13:59

Shamikebab said:
Well you said the fanbase doesn't want female superheroes unless there are male too. What is that if not misogny?

Why is that misogyny though? People will watch what they enjoy watching. I won't be forced to watch something I don't enjoy just because some weirdo is going to call me names if I don't.

C Kent · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:00

Shamikebab said:
Well you said the fanbase doesn't want female superheroes unless there are male too. What is that if not misogny?

Do you even understand what misogyny is or do you just throw words around for the fun of it?

Shamikebab · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:01

C Kent said:
Do you even understand what misogyny is or do you just throw words around for the fun of it?

Yes, please explain how only being able to tolerate female superheroes when there are male ones around is not misogyny

C Kent · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:03

Shamikebab said:
Yes, please explain how only being able to tolerate female superheroes when there are male ones around is not misogyny

Explain how it's misogynistic for both men and women to have a preference to watch male superhero movies, rather than female superheroes.

IvanDobskey · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:04

Shamikebab said:
Yes, please explain how only being able to tolerate female superheroes when there are male ones around is not misogyny

Because the female characters are all badly written and unwatchable

And they are being forced on us with no alternatives.

Shamikebab · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:05

C Kent said:
Explain how it's misogynistic for both men and women to have a preference to watch male superhero movies..

I'm a male, I couldn't care less what gender the superhero is as long as the story is good. I'm just reeling that people can be prejudiced against women and then complain that people use the word that means that :cry:

IvanDobskey · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:07

Shamikebab said:
I'm a male, I couldn't care less what gender the superhero is as long as the story is good. I'm just reeling that people can be prejudiced against women and then complain that people use the word that means that

I honestly don't care what gender or race the characters are, just as long as they are well written and you actually care about their story arc.

C Kent · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:08

Shamikebab said:
I'm a male, I couldn't care less what gender the superhero is as long as the story is good. I'm just reeling that people can be prejudiced against women and then complain that people use the word that means that

Probably because you automatically leap to words like tolerate and prejudiced, its straight out of the disney playbook. I'll ask again, are the women who would rather watch male superhero movies misogynistic?

IvanDobskey · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:11

The female characters just totally lose their femininity. Men and women both have their strengths and weaknesses. Why can't we have characters of both sexes that actually play to them? Would make for much more enjoyable characters that are more believable and easier to care about.

Shamikebab · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:12

C Kent said:
Probably because you automatically leap to words like tolerate and prejudiced, its straight out of the disney playbook. I'll ask again, are the women who would rather watch male superhero movies misogynistic?

Yes, if there reason is purely the gender of course :confused:

Shamikebab · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:14

IvanDobskey said:
The female characters just totally lose their femininity. Men and women both have their strengths and weaknesses. Why can't we have characters of both sexes that actually play to them? Would make for much more enjoyable characters that are more believable and easier to care about.

Captain Marvel is incredibly arrogant and thinks she can solve every problem alone. How is that not a weakness? Ms Marvel is naïve being young and basically copes entirely on reacting to things that happen to her, how is that not a weakness? I don't know what you mean about losing their femininity, you might have to explain that one.

IvanDobskey · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:14

The fact is, most women who watch marvel heroes, actually want to watch buff men doing masculine stuff

C Kent · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:17

Shamikebab said:
Yes, if there reason is purely the gender of course

Silly me a preference for something these days is clearly 'ist' or 'phobic' I forgot, as I said straight out of the Disney playbook.

C Kent said:
Wonder if they'll try and use the old misogyny excuse if it does bomb

I need to apply these amazing future reading powers to some sort of monetary gain

Shamikebab · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:19

C Kent said:
Silly me a preference for something these days is clearly 'ist' or 'phobic' I forgot, as I said straight out of the Disney playbook.

I need to apply these amazing future reading powers to some sort of monetary gain

A preference is entirely different. What you're talking about is specifically not watching films that have female characters, that isn't a preference. If you're watching all the MCU films but refuse to watch the ones with female characters then of course it is misogyny, it's the literal definition of the word!

Can you imagine if you announced you refused to watch films with black characters and then complained when people called you racist :cry:

IvanDobskey · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:22

It's all called preference and everybody should be allowed to choose what they enjoy watching without being called names

I chose not to watch the marvels because it looks utter crap, not because of you know, women.

If I like the look of a film with female characters in it, I'll go see it

C Kent · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:30

Shamikebab said:
A preference is entirely different. What you're talking about is specifically not watching films that have female characters, that isn't a preference. If you're watching all the MCU films but refuse to watch the ones with female characters then of course it is misogyny, it's the literal definition of the word!

No, again you are conflating 2 different things.

Shamikebab said:
Can you imagine if you announced you refused to watch films with black characters and then complained when people called you racist

To be perfectly honest I'm surprised you haven't also thrown racist into the mix because 2 out of the 3 main characters are minorities. I'm disappointed.

Shamikebab · 20 Nov 2023 at 14:32

C Kent said:
No, again you are conflating 2 different things.

To be perfectly honest I'm surprised you haven't also thrown racist into the mix because 2 out of the 3 main characters are minorities. I'm disappointed.

I'm literally responding to the issues you raised with the film, if you want to raise that as an issue then go ahead. You can't say people aren't watching because of female characters then act shocked when I mention misogyny :cry: