**The Mental Health Thread**

Well done for getting that far in work, definitely good going. Hope it continues for you :)
Cheers :) the job is bottom of the rung work (cleaner) but as its my 1st job in 15 years I cant be selective, I dont enjoy it, the people are nice though and it gives me structure, I am mixing with others far more and making myself presentable etc. Going to do it for 1 year which is in 2 months, get a good reference (Ive had no sick days or lateness and I work hard), then look for something else.
 
Cheers :) the job is bottom of the rung work (cleaner) but as its my 1st job in 15 years I cant be selective, I dont enjoy it, the people are nice though and it gives me structure, I am mixing with others far more and making myself presentable etc. Going to do it for 1 year which is in 2 months, get a good reference (Ive had no sick days or lateness and I work hard), then look for something else.

To be honest, that job is far more important than a lot of jobs out there, such as management and directors. Many people get promoted to remove them from roles they can do less damage in. Take a random restaurant as an easy example or a building firm, it shows that there's a lot of incompetence about. Just read on here about useless colleagues etc too. And more of the point, a toilet not being cleaned for a single day goes noticed, a manager not appearing for a week is celebrated with productivity. Look at Birmingham and the lack of bin men, a so called low tier job, but all hell breaks loose when they don't turn up.
 
Oh, as I'm here I may as well mention some other positivity. Whilst my mood randomly improved the other week, I may have another uplift again. Visited a private hospital and the specialist referred me for a test on NHS (non MH) and he seemed pretty decent. I also sadly had to visit private physio, but just over use of my knees and mild weakness, so that's positive. Another NHS MH assessment was a bit hmmm, after 1.5hrs I'm asked what help do I want. But another private therapy visit earlier today felt progressive and like we are making some progress.

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No, actually **** this ****. Too much going on, and yet nothing going on in my life.
 
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To be honest, that job is far more important than a lot of jobs out there, such as management and directors. Many people get promoted to remove them from roles they can do less damage in. Take a random restaurant as an easy example or a building firm, it shows that there's a lot of incompetence about. Just read on here about useless colleagues etc too. And more of the point, a toilet not being cleaned for a single day goes noticed, a manager not appearing for a week is celebrated with productivity. Look at Birmingham and the lack of bin men, a so called low tier job, but all hell breaks loose when they don't turn up.
Very true, thank you :)
 
While I'm generally doing ok at the moment, tomorrow is my birthday and I always find it a tough day because it's a natural point of reflection and year on year comparison.

This time last year I was really struggling, my relationship had broken up in November and I was still distraught and feeling very down. This year I'm not feeling quite so low, I've met someone and in the beginnings of what could be a relationship, though she lives a good distance away and what with her having her kids all the time and me co-parenting, our time together is limited, and even then I just can't help but think that as nice as she is, she's not my ex who I loved and adored and she will never be that person that I still miss greatly.

Else where in other areas of my life things are feeling stuck. I finally qualified as a counsellor last summer and I really want to get myself setup in private practice and make it what I do with my life but unfortunately I need to keep working full time to be able to afford my mortgage and bills and I, so far, can't see way ahead which feels or even seems plausible and possible to make the change I want.

I also spend a lot of time worrying about my son, he's 13, and struggles with anxiety and a lack of self-confidence, I do what I can to help him build himself up but he's very risk-averse and not one to push himself out of his comfort zone and I don't really know how I can help him. I think one of my main fears is that he might end up like me, stuck in a rut, with no friends and very little of life that he actually enjoys.

I don't really know why I'm posting this, I think I just wanted to get it out of my head for a little while today.
 
I know this isn't technically a mental health thing but I have my ADHD assessment on Wednesday. I've been waiting over 2 years for one on the NHS but got fed up of waiting so paid for a private assessment instead. I'm just worried I'll say the wrong things during it as I get anxious and often say the wrong things. If I did get diagnosed it would certainly explain a few things.
 
I know this isn't technically a mental health thing but I have my ADHD assessment on Wednesday. I've been waiting over 2 years for one on the NHS but got fed up of waiting so paid for a private assessment instead. I'm just worried I'll say the wrong things during it as I get anxious and often say the wrong things. If I did get diagnosed it would certainly explain a few things.

That is very much a MH thing as with divergence comes extra challenges. Please share how you get on if it helps. I imagine there's people who can assist in prepping for it. I know the person I have been seeing for therapy offers that service but for autism. Also there'll be a wealth of information available on the UK sub reddits for MH and such, but you need to read between the lines a bit and remain a bit more cautiously thinking on there.
 
So I've lost my job earlier in the year and been travelling around south east asia for a bit.

I've been living out of a 40l bag for that time and I haven't missed all the stuff I have at home.

Now with the gf under the threat of redundancy I'm wondering if this 9-5, house, pay off mortgage is for me.

I've flirted with the idea of jacking it all in. But with combo of job, my career sector dying and never really feeling the normal life fits me, plus mental health battles.. I'm now considering something radical more seriously.

I absolutely do not need a house. And all the stuff and hassle that comes with it.

Maybe this series of events is a kick I need. It's hard breaking my mind out of "doing the sensible thing"

Let's face it, if my career is dying and gf also in same boat, might not even be much choice!
 
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Are you sure your career (/line of work) is dying? Or does it just seem that way?
I think it is. Double edge sword of AI and what must be a surge in number of people doing it.

Its not super hard so makes sense. But as it's one of the easier technically in IT it's also a early candidate for automation.

Irrespective, I don't enjoy it. And as the salary is falling away, I need a change anyway.

When i go back home in 2 days (sadly) I will talk to gf about it. I just need to think about the real ramifications of it. Really, the main con I can see is losing money over time (ie if houses continue to rise and I don't have one).

But then I don't even know if that matters? State pension age in UK is going up and up, nhs is falling away, AI is only going to at more chaos.

I've always been prudent with money, job, life plans. But I've never really been happy. I obviously am not tricking myself into thinking "omg permanent holiday.. YOLO"..but at same time I do need a change.
 
Have you considered a career change that suits you? What I mean is, job roles do change and become less common/different/new ones appear. Lots of people have had to reinvent themselves or simply change career.

And knowing you, there are plenty of jobs that would align with your better than a desk job. Something outdoors, maybe around people (instructor for hiking/adventure stuff?) or maybe more alone e.g. tree surgeon, gardening etc.

I'm not discouraging you from going house free - actually you may save cash because while house values go up, you're paying a bunch of interest too. Just thinking about the bigger picture maybe. You've mentioned working in patches before so you can travel for bigger chunks. Self employed work and seasonal professions both suit this.
 
Have you considered a career change that suits you? What I mean is, job roles do change and become less common/different/new ones appear. Lots of people have had to reinvent themselves or simply change career.

And knowing you, there are plenty of jobs that would align with your better than a desk job. Something outdoors, maybe around people (instructor for hiking/adventure stuff?) or maybe more alone e.g. tree surgeon, gardening etc.

I'm not discouraging you from going house free - actually you may save cash because while house values go up, you're paying a bunch of interest too. Just thinking about the bigger picture maybe. You've mentioned working in patches before so you can travel for bigger chunks. Self employed work and seasonal professions both suit this.

Unfortunately due to my age and a few issues (knees) doing a day in day out outdoors job is probably not an option.

Anything with too many miles of walking a day is not going to work. This makes it really difficult and it's a real shame.
Something like a dive instructor is viable as it's water based. But it maybe a saturated (lol) market.

For now I'm just going to be looking for a job. But as soon as I do I need to really think about what is
-AI safe for as long as possible
-not going to physically cripple me.
-something I want to do.

Nothing at the moment stands out meeting the above criteria in regards to jobs

Going back home is going to be tough and I'm going to have to be super careful with depression, as I'm not going back to the happiest of situations. Feeling fairly anxious and it's not even the last day yet.
Holiday blues and going back to no job and some bad home life stuff is not going to be easy.
 
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So I've lost my job earlier in the year and been travelling around south east asia for a bit.

I've been living out of a 40l bag for that time and I haven't missed all the stuff I have at home.

Now with the gf under the threat of redundancy I'm wondering if this 9-5, house, pay off mortgage is for me.

I've flirted with the idea of jacking it all in. But with combo of job, my career sector dying and never really feeling the normal life fits me, plus mental health battles.. I'm now considering something radical more seriously.

I absolutely do not need a house. And all the stuff and hassle that comes with it.

Maybe this series of events is a kick I need. It's hard breaking my mind out of "doing the sensible thing"

Let's face it, if my career is dying and gf also in same boat, might not even be much choice!

Do you have enough equity in your house to get something in a cheaper area of the country mortgage free? That's what my wife and I have done recently.

The place we've bought is a bit of a **** heap and even after doing lots of renovation/redecorating, there is still loads to do. However it's entirely ours with no worry about a bank ever taking it from us. It's quite nice sitting in the sun in the garden and realising that I fully own the land I'm sitting on.

I'm not suggesting you definitely do this, as I'm still in two minds about whether we should have done it myself (as I miss our old house as it was brand new when we bought it, and this one depresses me at times with the amount of updating that still needs doing to it)!

The relief of anxiety when it comes to money/mortgage repayments is massive though. With interest rate rises etc, we would have been paying close to a £1000 a month just on interest, which seemed insane to me at the time.
 
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I would also ask the above question , but i think an area near the sea , cutting the shackles of a mortgage is a great thing to do if its possible
 
So I've lost my job earlier in the year and been travelling around south east asia for a bit.

I've been living out of a 40l bag for that time and I haven't missed all the stuff I have at home.

Now with the gf under the threat of redundancy I'm wondering if this 9-5, house, pay off mortgage is for me.

I've flirted with the idea of jacking it all in. But with combo of job, my career sector dying and never really feeling the normal life fits me, plus mental health battles.. I'm now considering something radical more seriously.

I absolutely do not need a house. And all the stuff and hassle that comes with it.

Maybe this series of events is a kick I need. It's hard breaking my mind out of "doing the sensible thing"

Let's face it, if my career is dying and gf also in same boat, might not even be much choice!
What would be the plan for living arrangements when you retire ?
I always wonder when people say they will rent in retirement if they have enough additional private pension to pay what will be ridiculous rents in 20 years time.

I know a guy who sold his house in UK, bought a camper van and lives on a beach in Portugal. He's been there years. Haven't spoken to him for many years, not sure if he's still happy there or not.
 
I would also ask the above question , but i think an area near the sea , cutting the shackles of a mortgage is a great thing to do if its possible

It is liberating in a sense.

It has been difficult to downgrade to a worse house that needs a lot of refurbishment and potentially more repairs etc though (from a peace of mind/comfort perspective).

I guess its like everything in life when you don't have a **** ton of money though.


It is funny; one of the most poignant quotes i have ever heard from a film is in Spiderman when the Green Goblin says to Peter: "you're struggling to have everthing you want, while the world tries to make you choose.".

I've always felt that this is exactly how life feels like and how the world works.
 
I tried to post the below earlier in the week, but decided not to, but left it in my browser. It's mostly meaningless however, so apologies if you do read, but I feel unable to guide myself to any form of happiness. Went to see a therapist for the 5th time today, naturally late, i highlighted i just didn't care like i do with my work time keeping. Am considering trying another therapist despite the current one telling me it probably isn't worth it, and i guess the 'people centred approach' is pretty pointless for me anyway so i may as well ditch the current guy as i am supposed to feel like he's helping? I've got 5 days off and practically no human interaction will be had now, and i have no interests outside of my bike which i can't ride due to an overuse injury. No wonder i type ****.



I should've asked earlier, but I always struggle to ask for help as I feel like it's never there, (talking overall, not MH). I just need to be grounded and think, but I've noticed/ realised or I've noticed on my own notes/thoughts and in therapy that I am often confused with emotions. But it may just be anxiety playing it's role, over thinking and losing track of reality.

Anyway. My job is considered good by others, so much leeway, no responsibility, barely anything to do and I pass the 4 days away with ease. It's also secure. I work next to where I live too. But this place I think may have set off my burnout with life, for varying reasons(?), mostly the shear amount of people I have to negotiate around each day. Whilst my brain probably is rotting away here too, I've never had a mentally challenging job before and I feel I didn't have this specific issue before either, so I'm not convinced that it's the lack of responsibility. I can enjoy some days, and many personal interactions here can be fun. Some conversations are awkward and a real struggle, and I can't help but think this takes its toll too, if not the actual reason.

I have a job interview Tuesday, after 5 days away from work, so I should be pretty level headed by then. It seems an alright job, away from too many interactions, working alone, responsibilities, working at a variety of locations locally, maybe less pay. I'm just not convinced that this will be the silver bullet to fix me, or give me some oomph that will start positivity. I think i have learned to act positive over recent years though.

In order for me to make a rational decision if I'm offered a job, I need to try and understand if my frustrations are from work, or my life, I think? I have had lots of jobs and they never lasted more than 4yrs. I have had outbursts of bad behaviour or lashing out in the past, and have felt myself leaning towards it again. I don't know if my current job would ever come up again here, so when I leave that might be that. People generally don't leave, but a few have left due to the shear mundane world and slowness. Job decisions are always hard, but when I got this job I thought that was it, I landed something good finally, something that I could work hard at whilst having a life balance.

I should also add that other issues in my life have caught up to me, or that I decided to acknowledge and try to fix them to be met with almost a brick wall. I have mentioned something of the sort previously here. The answers just don't come to me each time I ask myself. I have spent numerous hours sat or standing just thinking over the years, trying to rationalise my life, and just trying to understand what the hell I'm doing. I have done this driving 4hrs in one go, in silence. I also sat on a bench in the woods contemplating it all on a free trip to Czech Republic 10yrs+ years ago. Those are the most extreme examples though to highlight how disconnected I can be.

I have managed to fade away from all my mates for varying reasons, but they are still just about there, I just have no interest with them, and whilst I've never spoke to anyone about such things, I feel I still can't now. In fact when I did manage to hang out with one, he told me about numerous struggles which I already knew he had, and was in the process of making plans before he got found out, but I couldn't say anything my end, again just seemingly disconnected or unable to communicate.
 
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