Hello, im currently at 280x10 on an opteron 146 and thats my max stable oc with my current cooling on this board! now i have many options to run my mem at and need some help with what would be best for this board, someone adviced me that some motherboards prefer a higher Tras setting, would anyone know if its better to have timings of 5, 3, 2, 2.5 or 6, 3, 2, 2.5 on this board? im running a 183 multiplier so mem is currently running at 254!
The MSI Neo2 Platinum Owners Help Thread
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Soldato
What RAM do you have?
Different RAM obviously has different timings.
You can try lowering the actual timings on the RAM by dropping by MHZ its running at...
For example... My RAM in this PC here, is DDR400 Samsung.
At stock, its good for
3.0-3-3-8 @ 200FSB
2.5-3-3-7 @ 166FSB
So, in theory, lets say I dropped the RAM to run at 133, then I might be able to go to
2.0-3-3-6 @ 133
Not always the case, but worth a shot.
This RAM is also useless at running at 1T so its unfortunately 2T... 1T will be quicker, however, its 4GB, and at this time, I am hoping that 4GB will be quicker than 2GB but so far, its only proved to be a waste of time really. In fact, its no better really than 1GB - the only help it has been in running multiple Virtual Machines, other than that, for me, 4GB has proved no better than 1GB.
Now, I also know that the Corsair 4400 RAM, was perfectly happy all the way up to about 290FSB on stock volts, but, at 3.0-4-4-7 ( I think? ) however at the 1T I mentioned earlier.
Why 1T over 2T?
Well, if you didnt know, this is the time it takes for the memory controler to access the RAM. 1T is how long it takes to do it... 2T being obviously longer and therefore slower, so 1T is quicker than 2T.
I have found, that altering the timings on the RAM is quite often a completely futile task... Requiring a lot of effort to get things stable, and yet the results while sometimes can be rewarding, are quite often abysmal. At the end of the day you will be looking at something ridiculous like about 1% or 2% so to be honest, unless you are going to go silly, so, I wouldnt bother really.
I no longer do... on all my systems, I have just opted to get better / faster RAM in the first place and have done with it.
Different RAM obviously has different timings.
You can try lowering the actual timings on the RAM by dropping by MHZ its running at...
For example... My RAM in this PC here, is DDR400 Samsung.
At stock, its good for
3.0-3-3-8 @ 200FSB
2.5-3-3-7 @ 166FSB
So, in theory, lets say I dropped the RAM to run at 133, then I might be able to go to
2.0-3-3-6 @ 133
Not always the case, but worth a shot.
This RAM is also useless at running at 1T so its unfortunately 2T... 1T will be quicker, however, its 4GB, and at this time, I am hoping that 4GB will be quicker than 2GB but so far, its only proved to be a waste of time really. In fact, its no better really than 1GB - the only help it has been in running multiple Virtual Machines, other than that, for me, 4GB has proved no better than 1GB.
Now, I also know that the Corsair 4400 RAM, was perfectly happy all the way up to about 290FSB on stock volts, but, at 3.0-4-4-7 ( I think? ) however at the 1T I mentioned earlier.
Why 1T over 2T?
Well, if you didnt know, this is the time it takes for the memory controler to access the RAM. 1T is how long it takes to do it... 2T being obviously longer and therefore slower, so 1T is quicker than 2T.
I have found, that altering the timings on the RAM is quite often a completely futile task... Requiring a lot of effort to get things stable, and yet the results while sometimes can be rewarding, are quite often abysmal. At the end of the day you will be looking at something ridiculous like about 1% or 2% so to be honest, unless you are going to go silly, so, I wouldnt bother really.
I no longer do... on all my systems, I have just opted to get better / faster RAM in the first place and have done with it.
Soldato
Timings like that...
...and you want more?
I dont know... Its like trying to get blood out of a....
...and you want more?
I dont know... Its like trying to get blood out of a....
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Don't suppose someone can link me up to an url for the drivers for the wireless card that comes with the Neo 2 Platinum? Seem to have misplaced my driver CD and having problems locating them.
Thanks
Thanks
Soldato
Doesnt the MSI Live Update thingy let you do it?
I have my CD around here somewhere... Give me a few minutes to try to dig it out...
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While I am here...
I have a small niggle with my Neo2
Its only a small one and so far, its not caused any issues, but...
I have moved my Neo2 back as my No.2 Board. ( Previously running a DFI LP250UT with the ClawHammer 3700 but my daughter is now having that and its allowed me to use an X2 3800 in the Neo2 )
So, what I think its caused by ( Although I have not yet checked it out )
Is that I am using the Following HD Lines :-
Modo IDE =
3xDVDRW and 1xCDRW
SATA 1+2 =
Not Used
SATA 3 =
Seagate 80GB ( C: )
SIL3112 PCI Card
2x250GB WD
I keep getting a message about the Hardware. I need to check the message, cos I am nowhere near the Neo2 right now, and I cannot find my note about it for the life of me.
Anyway, I think its down to the extra SATA card, and it having 3 HD different IDE controlers, but not 100% sure yet as like I said, I have not bothered to do any tests to see...
Its not causing any problems at all, and the messages only come up on a startup while in the BIOS / DOS mode, and does not seem to affect anything, and as that PC is never switched off, I cant really worry too much, but if anyone has a similar issue, could you give me some notes?
Ta!
I have my CD around here somewhere... Give me a few minutes to try to dig it out...
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While I am here...
I have a small niggle with my Neo2
Its only a small one and so far, its not caused any issues, but...
I have moved my Neo2 back as my No.2 Board. ( Previously running a DFI LP250UT with the ClawHammer 3700 but my daughter is now having that and its allowed me to use an X2 3800 in the Neo2 )
So, what I think its caused by ( Although I have not yet checked it out )
Is that I am using the Following HD Lines :-
Modo IDE =
3xDVDRW and 1xCDRW
SATA 1+2 =
Not Used
SATA 3 =
Seagate 80GB ( C: )
SIL3112 PCI Card
2x250GB WD
I keep getting a message about the Hardware. I need to check the message, cos I am nowhere near the Neo2 right now, and I cannot find my note about it for the life of me.
Anyway, I think its down to the extra SATA card, and it having 3 HD different IDE controlers, but not 100% sure yet as like I said, I have not bothered to do any tests to see...
Its not causing any problems at all, and the messages only come up on a startup while in the BIOS / DOS mode, and does not seem to affect anything, and as that PC is never switched off, I cant really worry too much, but if anyone has a similar issue, could you give me some notes?
Ta!
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I've got this in another thread, but no joy...
I've read around and found that (just like me) people are having problems getting SATA RAID to work on these. My Windows install just hangs at 39mins.
Seems to happen with all versions of the BIOS.
Anyone had this problem, or come across a solution to it??
The drives work fine in a RAID0 array for storing data etc, but wont let me install Windows - its annoying as thats why i bought my Raptor 150's, for fast boot and general load times.
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I've read around and found that (just like me) people are having problems getting SATA RAID to work on these. My Windows install just hangs at 39mins.
Seems to happen with all versions of the BIOS.
Anyone had this problem, or come across a solution to it??
The drives work fine in a RAID0 array for storing data etc, but wont let me install Windows - its annoying as thats why i bought my Raptor 150's, for fast boot and general load times.
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Dillinger said:
Nope, and MSI help are polite and helpful, but rubbish... lol
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Dillinger said:
I'm running 2 Raptors with this board and have been since I bought it a couple of years ago. They have XP installed on them and without any problems. have you set the BIOS up correctly. I know that the manual for this board has a very poor info on setting the BIOS up.
I ran something similar for a couple of years with win2k and a single core 3500+. I stuck in a dual core 4800+ this week. All was fine and stable until I tried a fresh install of XP Pro SP2 today - it doesn't like my RAID arrays. I've tried various different BIOS arrangements but to no avail.
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Soldato
Similar issue, btu a real alternative one for you.
MSI Neo2, Using SATA 2+3 ( Hitachi 80GB + Seagate 250GB )
But also a pair of WD 200GB Drives on a SIL3112A Card.
I was runnign XP64 just peachy, but the system went a bit weird, and I fancied Win2000 for a bit instead, so I threw that on.
Now, all of a sudden, one of the WD200GB Drives has been turned into an EE formatted drive? - WTF?
Now, get this one...
If I install the Standard SIL3112a Driver for ID Euse, I get to use one of the HDs.
However, if I install the RAID 3112A Drives, I get to use the other one?
Does that sound normal to you?
Its either RAID or its not RAID, so why the F.... Anyway.
RAID on both the MSI and that SIL Card isnt true RAID. Its software RAID.
Try installing Linux onto it, and Linux will tell you this, some versions of linux still see the drives independantly, and so it will install, but as the controler is trying to force RAID, it wont work, or, a good distro will tell you that its software raid and offer you alternatives, so... While it is possible to setup your C: on a RAID array with the MSI, its only really software RAID, so you will probably be better off accepting your loss by the sounds of it... Besides, if you have this much issues trying to install it, what are you going to do if it goes belly up? You will lose everything, including any possibility of fixing it should it need to.
MSI Neo2, Using SATA 2+3 ( Hitachi 80GB + Seagate 250GB )
But also a pair of WD 200GB Drives on a SIL3112A Card.
I was runnign XP64 just peachy, but the system went a bit weird, and I fancied Win2000 for a bit instead, so I threw that on.
Now, all of a sudden, one of the WD200GB Drives has been turned into an EE formatted drive? - WTF?
Now, get this one...
If I install the Standard SIL3112a Driver for ID Euse, I get to use one of the HDs.
However, if I install the RAID 3112A Drives, I get to use the other one?
Does that sound normal to you?
Its either RAID or its not RAID, so why the F.... Anyway.
RAID on both the MSI and that SIL Card isnt true RAID. Its software RAID.
Try installing Linux onto it, and Linux will tell you this, some versions of linux still see the drives independantly, and so it will install, but as the controler is trying to force RAID, it wont work, or, a good distro will tell you that its software raid and offer you alternatives, so... While it is possible to setup your C: on a RAID array with the MSI, its only really software RAID, so you will probably be better off accepting your loss by the sounds of it... Besides, if you have this much issues trying to install it, what are you going to do if it goes belly up? You will lose everything, including any possibility of fixing it should it need to.
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msi power
results with retail E6400 abd E6600.
E6600
still playing
nope thats the limit on the msi
now to the asus P5B deluxe
thats more like it much better anyone want to buy a msi mobo only joking
results with retail E6400 abd E6600.
E6600
still playing
nope thats the limit on the msi
now to the asus P5B deluxe
thats more like it much better anyone want to buy a msi mobo only joking
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Help with first OC
Appreciate if anyone could help us on my first OC.
My rig is as follows:
Antec Sonata Piano Black Quiet Midi Tower Case inc 380W PSU
Athlon 64 3000+ Socket 939 512KB OEM @1.8GHz
Freezer 64 cooler
Arctic Ceramique Thermal Compound (2.7g) on CPU and Nforce
K8N Neo2 Platinum Socket 939 nForce 3 Ultra ATX
Kingston ValueRAM KVR400X64C3AK2/1G (x2 512 mb)
Leadtek WinFast GeForce 6600 GT 128MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP)
Now not knowing much about OC and I know we have a lot of threads could anyone suggest best way to proceed to get a CPU clock of 2.2 GHz? Only have value ram so not sure best way to proceed and what could be possible.
Thanks for any tips ...
Appreciate if anyone could help us on my first OC.
My rig is as follows:
Antec Sonata Piano Black Quiet Midi Tower Case inc 380W PSU
Athlon 64 3000+ Socket 939 512KB OEM @1.8GHz
Freezer 64 cooler
Arctic Ceramique Thermal Compound (2.7g) on CPU and Nforce
K8N Neo2 Platinum Socket 939 nForce 3 Ultra ATX
Kingston ValueRAM KVR400X64C3AK2/1G (x2 512 mb)
Leadtek WinFast GeForce 6600 GT 128MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (AGP)
Now not knowing much about OC and I know we have a lot of threads could anyone suggest best way to proceed to get a CPU clock of 2.2 GHz? Only have value ram so not sure best way to proceed and what could be possible.
Thanks for any tips ...
Soldato
Ok, first thing, is to knock the RAM speed down to 166 or even 133
Next is to set the AGP to 67
Now, the HTT to 4
Now, the CPU may or may not need a Voltage increase, so put the CPU up a few notches ( FSB ) to 220
If it goes, then thats great, if it does not, then perhaps up the CPU volts a tad.
To be honest though, the CPU should go a little before you will need to up the volts, so if it does not, dont go silly... You just might have a CPU thats not a good clocker.
Also the MSI Neo2 like many boards actually undervolt some CPUs.
It might say its at 1.5 when its really only at 1.4 so when you can, try running CPUZ and comparing it with what you have manually set it to in the BIOS.
Next is to set the AGP to 67
Now, the HTT to 4
Now, the CPU may or may not need a Voltage increase, so put the CPU up a few notches ( FSB ) to 220
If it goes, then thats great, if it does not, then perhaps up the CPU volts a tad.
To be honest though, the CPU should go a little before you will need to up the volts, so if it does not, dont go silly... You just might have a CPU thats not a good clocker.
Also the MSI Neo2 like many boards actually undervolt some CPUs.
It might say its at 1.5 when its really only at 1.4 so when you can, try running CPUZ and comparing it with what you have manually set it to in the BIOS.
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FatRakoon thanks for the reply. Been looking into the OC part and obviously its my RAM which will be the limiting factor on the OC.
Just a quick question before I start tampering what is the reason for lowering the RAM speed? I know by adjusting the FSB to 220 should in theory give a CPU clock of 2000MHz (220*9 Multiplier), So where and how does the RAM divider come into play? My HT is already set at 4 default.
Thanks for the help.
Just a quick question before I start tampering what is the reason for lowering the RAM speed? I know by adjusting the FSB to 220 should in theory give a CPU clock of 2000MHz (220*9 Multiplier), So where and how does the RAM divider come into play? My HT is already set at 4 default.
Thanks for the help.
Soldato
Basically, ignore the Multiplier for a minute, and just concentrate on the FSB...
Your RAM limit is 200 right.
The CPU is also 200.
If you push your CPU to this 220, then the RAM will also be running at 220 too!
Now, in plain english you push your CPU to a given value ( +20 in this case ) then the RAM is also going to go to whatever it is, +20.
If you set the RAM to 166 instead of its default value of 200, what you are basically doing is adding that 20 to 166 giving the RAM a new speed of 186 instead of 220 so you are still keeping the speed of the RAM to below its limit of 200.
So, on that, you can see, that if you set your RAM in the BIOS to 166, then you can therefore take the CPU 36 instead of 20 and this will then take the RAM to its 200 limit.
If you want to go further than this 36, then you need to take the RAM to 133.
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That is about as plain as I can make it really mate.
Sorry if it sounds patronising, but Im tryign ( and failing ) to be as clear as possible, and yet not blag you with silly words that dont really mean bugger all.
Your RAM limit is 200 right.
The CPU is also 200.
If you push your CPU to this 220, then the RAM will also be running at 220 too!
Now, in plain english you push your CPU to a given value ( +20 in this case ) then the RAM is also going to go to whatever it is, +20.
If you set the RAM to 166 instead of its default value of 200, what you are basically doing is adding that 20 to 166 giving the RAM a new speed of 186 instead of 220 so you are still keeping the speed of the RAM to below its limit of 200.
So, on that, you can see, that if you set your RAM in the BIOS to 166, then you can therefore take the CPU 36 instead of 20 and this will then take the RAM to its 200 limit.
If you want to go further than this 36, then you need to take the RAM to 133.
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That is about as plain as I can make it really mate.
Sorry if it sounds patronising, but Im tryign ( and failing ) to be as clear as possible, and yet not blag you with silly words that dont really mean bugger all.
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Thanks, that starting to make real sense now! Cheers
Will look at the sticky thread on OC for newbies and combine all the stress tests with your info and start to see what I can get in terms of an OC. Will give it a go this weekend when I have some free time. Can't wait to see what I can get (2.2 CPU clock and I will be happy, any more and its stable I will be even more happy )
Will look at the sticky thread on OC for newbies and combine all the stress tests with your info and start to see what I can get in terms of an OC. Will give it a go this weekend when I have some free time. Can't wait to see what I can get (2.2 CPU clock and I will be happy, any more and its stable I will be even more happy
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Soldato
When you do go for the Overclock, couple of things to also check up on.
I will try to be as simple here too, but the AGP... Set that to 67
Reason?
the PCI and AGP buses are set to a certain value... 33.3 and 66.6 Respectively.
If you overclock your CPU to this 220 that you want, then thats ... Erm.. 10%
Ok, thats fine, but then your PCI and AGP bus will also get overclocked a little by 10% too!
So, instead of them running a nice 33.3 and 66.6, they will instead be running at
36.6 ( 33.3 + 10% ) and 73.26 ( 66.6 + 10% ) which can be a bit dangerous on the Cards.
Now, if you set the AGP to 67, this will effectively "LOCK" the PCI and AGP buses so, you can then clock to your hearts content.
Also, one other note...
You have 4 SATA ports on that board...
The 2 closest to the CPU are LOCKED in along with this AGP to 67 business, however, the 2 that are near the bottom, are not... They will get overclocked no matter what you want to do, so DONT USE THEM.
You are ok to use SATA 3+4 but not 1+2 ok?
This is not limited to the NEO... A Lot of Mobos do this.
What else? Cant think right now, but if you want me to be more specific or give you proper numbers etc, then just ask... As I said, Im tryign to be as basic as I can so you wont go wrong really... I know that when I started to overclock, I had loads of stupid numbers thrown at me from all directions, and do you know what... 95% of it was totally irrelevant and some of it even wrong.
I will try to be as simple here too, but the AGP... Set that to 67
Reason?
the PCI and AGP buses are set to a certain value... 33.3 and 66.6 Respectively.
If you overclock your CPU to this 220 that you want, then thats ... Erm.. 10%
Ok, thats fine, but then your PCI and AGP bus will also get overclocked a little by 10% too!
So, instead of them running a nice 33.3 and 66.6, they will instead be running at
36.6 ( 33.3 + 10% ) and 73.26 ( 66.6 + 10% ) which can be a bit dangerous on the Cards.
Now, if you set the AGP to 67, this will effectively "LOCK" the PCI and AGP buses so, you can then clock to your hearts content.
Also, one other note...
You have 4 SATA ports on that board...
The 2 closest to the CPU are LOCKED in along with this AGP to 67 business, however, the 2 that are near the bottom, are not... They will get overclocked no matter what you want to do, so DONT USE THEM.
You are ok to use SATA 3+4 but not 1+2 ok?
This is not limited to the NEO... A Lot of Mobos do this.
What else? Cant think right now, but if you want me to be more specific or give you proper numbers etc, then just ask... As I said, Im tryign to be as basic as I can so you wont go wrong really... I know that when I started to overclock, I had loads of stupid numbers thrown at me from all directions, and do you know what... 95% of it was totally irrelevant and some of it even wrong.
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Hey FatRakoon thanks for all the advice will make sure all is set correctly before I play.
One more thing I am curious about if you lower the RAM divider all the way to 133 does this have effect on performance? In addition as I have only value RAM (Kingston brand) I imagine its best to keep its settings as the current of 3-3-3-8? Its set at 2T. And just see how I get on?
Thanks, D.
One more thing I am curious about if you lower the RAM divider all the way to 133 does this have effect on performance? In addition as I have only value RAM (Kingston brand) I imagine its best to keep its settings as the current of 3-3-3-8? Its set at 2T. And just see how I get on?
Thanks, D.