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***THE NEW KING - GTX 590 IS HERE!***

Gerard said:
Looks like amd are calling nvidia out on their claims that the 590 is the worlds fastest card.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33975525
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Goes to show that AMD/ATI are keeping 'eagle' eyes on the reviews like being glued to TV lol:D.

I must say it has been a very interesting scenario between AMD and Nvidia since the release of HD6900 series and GTX500 series.

The release of GTX580 just overshadowed the recent achievements of AMD but they have come back fighting with dual gpu solution and they have more or less kept the lead in this field. I can trust AMD to always come with better dual gpu solution.:)
 
WingZero30 said:
The release of GTX580 just overshadowed the recent achievements of AMD but they have come back fighting with dual gpu solution and they have more or less kept the lead in this field. I can trust AMD to always come with better dual gpu solution.:)
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Sorry just as AMD have every right to have issue with Nvidia's claim of fastest graphics card, (because they both win in their respective titles) I have to query this comment.
you say they have more or less kept the lead, certainly indicating that the 6990 is not always faster.
then you say AMD always come with a better dual GPU solution, well if you consider that the 6990 is longer, louder, hotter and uses more power at stock settings 375w to Nvidia's 365w (manufactures figures), then yes i suppose it is. :rolleyes:

that is without even going into overclocking, now i agree that AMD's power limiter is far superior (yes i know that a few of the 590's have gone pop and I'm sure what ever the issue is it will be fixed very soon) but when both cards are running maxed out the 590 is faster.
thinking about value, well neither card is what i would call good value, but it could be argued that the 6990 is dearer than the two cards it is made from, whereas the 590 is cheaper, certainly doesn't make either a good buying choice in my opinion but it is food for thought.

anyway ill shut up now..:D
 
bru said:
then you say AMD always come with a better dual GPU solution, well if you consider that the 6990 is longer, louder, hotter and uses more power at stock settings 375w to Nvidia's 365w (manufactures figures), then yes i suppose it is. :rolleyes:

that is without even going into overclocking, now i agree that AMD's power limiter is far superior (yes i know that a few of the 590's have gone pop and I'm sure what ever the issue is it will be fixed very soon) but when both cards are running maxed out the 590 is faster.
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6990 being hotter, is simply due to poor cooler so it won't be am issue for long, the chips on the 6990 are cooler and and more efficient so it'l be easier to cool with 3rd party solutions.

Also, as always with Nvidia, you can't trust the Manufactures power consumption numbers, the 6990 according to Techpowerup uses quite allot less power.
Nvidia did a good job at artificially power throttling in the 590 in furmark (and a few others) which gives a skewed perception that it's more efficient than it is.

Idle 36W Vs 48W for the 590
Average 252W Vs 318 for the 590
Peak 301W Vs 356W 590

Also hardware issues are almost never fixed 'soon', such problems usually cause considerable delays. Can Nvidia fit bigger and tougher components on the small 590 PCB to solve the problems in a hardware amendment? if not it means a PCB redesign that will make the card a little longer or taller. Also are there any 'off the shelf' VRM's currently out there that can safely handle the power consumption of a stock 590, let alone one that's been clocked above a 6990?
Also the fact that SLI doesn't scale as well as Xfire with GF110, means that Nvidia will always be battling an up-hill struggle with the laws of physics with components when competing with the 6990 that's more efficient in terms of both power consumption and multi-GPU scaling.

Also, I'm not sure Nvidia has even fixed the GTX570 vrm issues yet? although they seem to be much less prevalent than the 590's issues.
 
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So they selected a few reviews which make the 6990 shine, the thing is nvidia can do the same. For example in this review http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...tx-590-oc-vs-radeon-6990-oc-introduction.html
They show that yes indeed ati's 6990 does do better in 3dmark 11 but in heaven is beaten by the 590 and through the whole review they do better in different games or equal. When the 590 and the 6990 are overclocked u can see a real difference because the 6990 does not have a lot of headroom and is very hot to start with and the 590 has loads of headroom and has a better cooler on it it will be interesting when compaines bring out there non reference designs tbh.
 
Also knowing ati they were a bit conservative with clock speeds, as said once a better cooler comes out then the fun will begin.

I've also noticed newegg have pulled the 590 cards as well, so looks like it might be a worldwide recall perhaps?
 
trisp said:
So they selected a few reviews which make the 6990 shine, the thing is nvidia can do the same. For example in this review http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...tx-590-oc-vs-radeon-6990-oc-introduction.html
They show that yes indeed ati's 6990 does do better in 3dmark 11 but in heaven is beaten by the 590 and through the whole review they do better in different games or equal. When the 590 and the 6990 are overclocked u can see a real difference because the 6990 does not have a lot of headroom and is very hot to start with and the 590 has loads of headroom and has a better cooler on it it will be interesting when compaines bring out there non reference designs tbh.
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Clearly a bought and paid for review. Limited and poor choice of games, and shoddy conclusion, also benchmarks wins are meaningless.

Checkout the below review from Hardware Canucks, an obviously pro Nvidia site when you read the review wording, yet SKYMTL is pretty impartial when it comes to posting honest benchmarks.

7 Games tested.
6990 Wins 5
590 Wins 2

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/41903-nvidia-geforce-gtx-590-3gb-review.html

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Overclock was disapointing on stock volts also.
Overclocking Results

"Core overclocking did go a bit better than expected but still stopped short of the 700Mhz mark.

Meanwhile, the memory speeds were tightly curtailed by the default voltage as well. It was nigh on impossible to elevate speeds past the final results listed below without having the GDDR5’s error correction come into play and basically cap performance.

We understand MSI’s AfterBurner software supports voltage increases for the GTX 590 but we’d hesitate to recommend going this direction since it could void the warranty on an extremely expensive piece of hardware.

Final Results:

Core Clock: 689Mhz
Processor Clock: 1378Mhz
Memory Clock: 3744Mhz (QDR)"
 
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so basically Ejizz what your saying is that Nvidia and AMD are lying about their power figures even though they are published on their own websites and any review that doesn't show what you want it to show is bought and paid for by nvidia.
and its OK the card is too hot and loud because the chips them selves are cooler.

that kinda sums it up i take it.

yeah OK.
 
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Threads like this make me LOL. 2 words individualism/preference

People will buy the 590 irrespective of the benchmarks that all the websites have put out. Regardless if they blow up or not, regardless if they get hot or not, regardless if the 6990 is actually a better card or not.

If you had the money to spend on either a 6990 or a 590 what would be your individual choice?? what card you would buy?? What suits you best. Weather it be drivers, or the name of the company on the card, specification, it will depend on you the consumer, the customer, the individual.

The big thing here is individualism !! People will buy what they want to buy. Weather you support the green team or the red, your view is your own, some will agree, some will disagree, but you will buy what you want to regardless or what others think!

The major thing here is the technology that has evolved, Nvidia havnt produced a double GPU card since the 295, so for them this a major achivement, regardless of weather you like the product results or not, nvidia have released it. In there eyes this is the best they have produced, and they believe in it, and countless more customer/consumers will as well.
 
bru said:
so basically Ejizz what your saying is that Nvidia and AMD are lying about their power figures even though they are published on their own websites and any review that doesn't show what you want it to show is bought and paid for by nvidia.
and its OK the card is too hot and loud because the chips them selves are cooler.

that kinda sums it up i take it.

yeah OK.
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Sorry, did Nvidia not grossly lie about the GTX480's power consumption, wasn't it supposed to be 250W lol?
Secondly it's well known that Nvidia put allot more pressure on review sites than AMD, plenty of respected review sites have acknowledged this.
Did you really think that was a good choice/selection of games?

And yes, the 6990 is in a better situation regarding heat and noise because that's an easy fixable solution (no need for architecture redesign etc.), and would actually be cooler than a 590 if they both had the same cooler, and yes AMD should have fitted a decent cooler in the first place.
 
Ejizz said:
They even say it's the fastest card in world for some reason, doesn't mean it is...

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/03/25/2056/
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Not sure if that is a question aimed at me or if that is a statement by you.

I personally didnt state it was the fastest card in the world, nvidia may have said that, but again thats their individual overlook of the card, its all about selling the card now, so of course they will be saying things like, the fastest card in the world

Propaganda, it works, say it enough times, people/customers potentially start to believe it, even if you dont.
 
^^^
It does work, as evidenced by a couple of posters who are obviously more easily taken in.
Thing is, this forum has the potential to offer a public service and be an antidote to the propaganda that preys on the less aware...
 
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