The next best thing for GPU performance

smogsy · 4 Jul 2017 at 08:23

String said:
Something I really should've mentioned: Current CPU's are 6700k and 5930k so I need to see an improvement over them.

gavinh87 said:
You won't with the current offerings. Wait for coffeelake.

not tottally true, if at stock during my extensive testing a 1800x is slighty faster in single & multithread workloads over a 5930K

IvanDobskey · 4 Jul 2017 at 09:47

Games just don't need or make use of extra CPU power beyond a certain point anyway.

It's all about the GPU for gaming.

Pouring thousands into the absolute best CPU and platform is a waste of money. Just get the best GPU you can buy and a 6700k will be perfectly good enough to power it.

X-Mikuru_Beam-X · 4 Jul 2017 at 13:40

IvanDobskey said:
Games just don't need or make use of extra CPU power beyond a certain point anyway.

It's all about the GPU for gaming.

Pouring thousands into the absolute best CPU and platform is a waste of money. Just get the best GPU you can buy and a 6700k will be perfectly good enough to power it.

I agree for the most part, but some online multiplayer games like bf1 seriously tax current quad core CPUs in busy 64 player scenes and can bring framerates right down ...or at least that's how I've found bf1 over 400+ hours

gavinh87 · 4 Jul 2017 at 13:46

X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
I agree for the most part, but some online multiplayer games like bf1 seriously tax current quad core CPUs in busy 64 player scenes and can bring framerates right down ...or at least that's how I've found bf1 over 400+ hours

Agreed. But he has a 5930k so no worries there either.

Perfect_Chaos · 4 Jul 2017 at 13:47

IvanDobskey said:
Games just don't need or make use of extra CPU power beyond a certain point anyway.

It's all about the GPU for gaming.

Pouring thousands into the absolute best CPU and platform is a waste of money. Just get the best GPU you can buy and a 6700k will be perfectly good enough to power it.

Agreed about the GPU, but at the time you could get a 6 core x99 setup for not a great deal more than a 4 core z170 one.

X-Mikuru_Beam-X · 4 Jul 2017 at 13:51

gavinh87 said:
Agreed. But he has a 5930k so no worries there either.

I wouldn't be swapping out that beast!

IvanDobskey · 4 Jul 2017 at 13:57

X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
I agree for the most part, but some online multiplayer games like bf1 seriously tax current quad core CPUs in busy 64 player scenes and can bring framerates right down ...or at least that's how I've found bf1 over 400+ hours

Yes, there are a few games that do make use of the CPU a little more. But I'm sure bf1 is perfectly playable on a 6700k.

Never played it myself through, got bored of the battlefield games some time ago now.

Dirk Diggler · 4 Jul 2017 at 14:32

X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
I wouldn't be swapping out that beast!

It's for sale in the MM. It breaks my heart to sell it, as it does 4.9Ghz @ 1.4v when benching, and sits comfortable at 4.4 @ 1.26v 24/7 ... But I can't find a mATX board for it, and I don't want to go back to ATX.

I think I need to hang on to the 6700k for a while yet, and look out for a decent upgrade in the mATX form factor. Although, that could be years away!

jabbz · 5 Jul 2017 at 22:34

I went from a Q8200 to a 6600k thats how long I waited to upgrade and I was glad I did. The little 5-10% increases all the time are stupid upgrades.
OK my pc struggled with newer games but I made do with what I had and saved up for a good build. Although I think I will try and wait another 2 years this time
if I can as things are moving a bit faster now with AMD and more cores optimizing. I hope to hang on enough to get a big jump like the last one in CPU power.

X-Mikuru_Beam-X · 5 Jul 2017 at 22:42

IvanDobskey said:
Never played it myself through, got bored of the battlefield games some time ago now.

I play battlefield day in, day out, year after year... You might call me an enthusiast

I've play BF1 so much now I know every little performance nuance on every corner of each map :cool:

yeah I know that's kinda sad really lol

IvanDobskey · 6 Jul 2017 at 07:11

X-Mikuru_Beam-X said:
I play battlefield day in, day out, year after year... You might call me an enthusiast

I've play BF1 so much now I know every little performance nuance on every corner of each map yeah I know that's kinda sad really lol

I may give bf1 a go when it's cheap

It certainly looks nice visually.

I find I'm just not very good at online multiplayer games

Too many young uns who have the time to play it to death and get too good at it. Old gits like me don't stand a chance

Heretic1322 · 6 Jul 2017 at 11:01

I bought Ryzen as it appeared that the minimum fps were better than intel in some or most games i saw in benchies. Also motherboard should last a few gens.

sieze2 · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:15

Heretic1322 said:
I bought Ryzen as it appeared that the minimum fps were better than intel in some or most games i saw in benchies. Also motherboard should last a few gens.

Its would be nice if they do.

Dirk Diggler · 28 Sep 2017 at 15:25

Just checking in to see if much has changed since the major CPU releases recently? Looks like still no point in investing until next year at the earliest?

DragonQ · 28 Sep 2017 at 22:42

String said:
Just checking in to see if much has changed since the major CPU releases recently? Looks like still no point in investing until next year at the earliest?

Only HEDT has changed since Ryzen launched, so it depends if you're interested in high numbers of PCIe lanes or cores. Threadripper looks interesting for a Linux GPU passthrough system but it's a lot of dough for what is pretty much an experiment. Otherwise, Intel's Coffee Lake comes out next month (high end parts first, lower end next year) and AMD's Pinnacle Ridge is due in February.

gavinh87 · 28 Sep 2017 at 22:51

String said:
Just checking in to see if much has changed since the major CPU releases recently? Looks like still no point in investing until next year at the earliest?

If your looking for the absolute best out of your GPU as the thread title suggests, then its x299 with the 7740x (although buying a quad now is madness) or the 8700k due to release on the 5th october should fit the bill.

Dirk Diggler · 28 Sep 2017 at 22:54

DragonQ said:
Only HEDT has changed since Ryzen launched, so it depends if you're interested in high numbers of PCIe lanes or cores. Threadripper looks interesting for a Linux GPU passthrough system but it's a lot of dough for what is pretty much an experiment. Otherwise, Intel's Coffee Lake comes out next month (high end parts first, lower end next year) and AMD's Pinnacle Ridge is due in February.

gavinh87 said:
If your looking for the absolute best out of your GPU as the thread title suggests, then its x299 with the 7740x (although buying a quad now is madness) or the 8700k due to release on the 5th october should fit the bill.

I don't think quad is the way forward as you say @gavinh87 so I'll keep an eye on the 8700k benchmarks.

Dirk Diggler · 29 Sep 2017 at 08:35

I've had a Google around to assess the 8700k in comparison to my current CPU's and it looks like potential 15% speed increase over the 6700k and 20% over the 5930k. Depending on overclocking potential and subsequent heat being manageable, I could be tempted. I'll obviously need to wait for actual release to assess all that plus motherboard choice, RAM compatibility etc..

Is it safe to say I need to allocate my 5930k as my second system and sell the 6700k to make way for the new CPU in my main gaming system? It might seem an obvious question, but is quad core the new duo? I'm still not seeing games utilise more than one core let alone more than four, but maybe I haven't experienced the games that do?

The question isn't "should I buy a quad core" as the answer is an overwhelming No, the question is are quad core CPU's still relevant for gaming?

jigger · 29 Sep 2017 at 11:31

Quad cores are still very relevant to gaming. The problem is price.

Rroff · 29 Sep 2017 at 11:38

String said:
The question isn't "should I buy a quad core" as the answer is an overwhelming No, the question is are quad core CPU's still relevant for gaming?

4 cores / 8 thread CPUs like the i7s still do fine for gaming - you might be impacted a bit if you like to leave 123187585 programs, etc. running in the background but they'll hold up fine for the game itself and 1-2 companion programs like voice comms if you keep your PC somewhat optimal OS environment wise.

4 core / 4 thread is starting to show its limitations in some of the more recent games especially with a higher end GPU and pushing >60fps you may notice quite a difference in how smooth the game runs.