The next Labour leader thread
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I think he's got the unions as well, although there are rumblings in their ranks too.
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The MP's were not elected to be supporters of Corbyn, but as representatives of their constituency. They have every right to rebel against him if they do not believe he represents their constituencies interests. MP's are not obligated to Labour party members after all.
The fact Labour members have selected a leader that does not have the support of their MP's reflects a failing in their leadership system more than anything else.
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That would alienate enough of Labour support in areas like London that it would totally counter productive. Labour is two party's. The campaign centre, and the working class left. They can't ware both sets of shoes at the same time.
Agreed.
The Labour party membership is not representative of the wider Labour voter. Also, no sitting Labour MP was elected under Corbyn's leadership, and the majority have never backed him
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I very much agree. At the time I did not want Labour to be strong so I was hoping Ed Milliband would win as he would not be a threat to the Conservatives.
Now however, I wish David Milliband had won as he had leadership potential.
The problem is that this highlights a real schism in the core principles and beliefs of the Labour movement that can't be solved by appointing a new leader; any leader is likely to alienate half of the party members.
I'm wondering if the country would be better served by a split in the Labour party, forming Momentum and New, New Labour. Perhaps with Momentum having some loose alliance with the Greens and other left wing parties, and New, New Labour reforming with the Lib Dems as a truly centrist party.
I'm wondering if the country would be better served by a split in the Labour party, forming Momentum and New, New Labour. Perhaps with Momentum having some loose alliance with the Greens and other left wing parties, and New, New Labour reforming with the Lib Dems as a truly centrist party.
Isn't that also pretty damning for Corbyn? Almost half of labour voters don't think he should stay.
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I think centre right, pro EU Tory's would also consider joining. Possibly even enough to form a a majority and/or force an GE.
I think it's a brilliant idea. I'd vote for them.
At the moment the choice is between Boris or Corbyn. It's a bit like choosing which nut you want pulled off.
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He's not even an MP so there's no chance he will get on the ballot (if/when).
Unless they can find a Blair version 2.0 I can't see anything other then a split in the Labour party. Socialist Labour one side and Social Democrats (possibly swallowing up what's left of the Lib Dems) forming the opposition.
Although JC is an issue he's not the big problem from the amount of air time he's leadership gets but the fact your MP's seem think their entitled to tell Labour voters what to think rather then representing their views in parliament. When was the last time a back bencher from labour stood and addressed immigration concerns?
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I think this is the major issue. Corbyn has good ideas, he has principles, he has conviction. This is all appealling to Labour's membership (ignoring whether it would be appealling to the general public).
What Corbyn does not have is leadership qualities. And that is a significant (and key) deficiency. Even before the referendum he has missed opportunities to strike at the support and policies of the Convervatives. Labour's members need to consider what is more important, a principled and idealogical individual or a leader of a large group of people.
There is a vacant uncontested seat with a by-election soon. David Milliband is a possibility
A new MP was sworn in yesterday and there is at least one other position available (though I don't think lining him up there is necessarily the right answer).
I think he'd be a very strong contender if he made it to the ballot.
I think this is probably their only option, let this happen to finally show the left in labour that their dream is just that a dream and then maybe they will be able to move on, the problem with doing this is we will have an utterly inept and incompetence ridden divided opposition who will allow a huge Conservative majority to do as they please which we can't have (and I'm a conservative saying that!) we need a strong principled opposition for our democracy to be effective, not this pathetic lot who seem to be hell bent on their interest before that of the country and its people.
No - it shows people like myself who aren't bothered in these polls haven't voted in it. If it came to a vote to see if he was to continue, then I'd bother.
Which he would would have to meet the CLP and put himself up for selection.
Good luck with that.
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Something tells me Yorkshire and David won't meet in the middle. I think they'd need to bunk someone off further down south for him to stand a chance of selection.