The next Labour leader thread

[Glaucus]

As new Labour were viewed as Tory-Lite by their supporters and support for them in their heartlands ebbed away your solution is to go 'even more right wing'. So you would end up like America with a Centre right Party and a right-far right Party. No thanks.

yes and whats wrong with that?]at the moment you'll have far right winning every election. where a center right would win some as well.

this is the problem with sticking up for your idiology, you **** the country up and are so blind you cant see it happening. there is very little support for a true left wing party in the general population. not only do you not get your left wing policies, you allow an extreme right wing authoritarian tory party in time and again.

corbyn simply has to go, or he will damage the uk even more. as there is no chance he will get elected as pm.

 

[Hambut_Bulge]

Labour voters supported Remain by around 2:1, and Labour members supported Remain by a even greater margin.

Look outside London and its a very different picture

Yes, but as Jezza rightly, for once, highlights, as people here do as well -- Labour-held areas and the selectorate (Labour membership) aren't one and the same

Sort of my point. As a tactic it may win him votes for the leadership. Less likely to improve prospects on the doorstep in Rochdale/Burnley etc

Source: https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisapple...-next-election?utm_term=.mhJ6q40n4#.jr4bDyqGy

 

[Mr Jack]

Look outside London and its a very different picture

No, it's not. Labour voters pretty much everywhere backed Remain. Labour represented areas may have backed Leave but that doesn't show that Labour voters back Leave.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

Can somebody, please, explain why re-nationalising the railways would solve the overcrowding

 

[datalol-jack]

Owen's in the contest that he is in, and not a different one. Given the context, it's a good holding pattern and way to bring Jeremy's own tactics and views on the isssue, if there are any, into the open and under scrutiny by membership and the electorate. Unlike Corbyn, however, I expect Owen to actually re-examine his position once the government makes its stance, plan and evidence (being gathered atm, finally) for it clear. It's also distinctive enough from the Lib Dem's offer.

If a GE election were held shortly, with few details from the government, one could do worse than go with the party's default stance instead of along with a Tory-led Brexit lying down. The nearer we get to 2020, and the more damage uncertainty does to the country, it makes sense to pressure May to make her final deal a key issue of that election to get a concrete mandate for it.

Smith is flexible enough to compromise if the final deal can be shown to be acceptable and not decimating to Labour's constituencies, whilst he would also hold the government to account with a united shadow cabinet behind him if it were to be an utter disaster of a move for the UK. Corbyn will just martyr Labour voters, members and himself in the process, destroying the party as we know it.

Can somebody, please, explain why re-nationalising the railways would solve the overcrowding

State-backed borrowing and profit from the network would be channelled into higher capacity. McDonnell was going to publish something about it, but I've not seen much detail since.

 

[Mr Jack]

Can somebody, please, explain why re-nationalising the railways would solve the overcrowding

On it's own it won't but re-nationalising it and investing it in could.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

Ah yes, but what happens when the Government overspends again and has to make cuts?

It's pretty clear to me that Governments getting involved in companies, in general, run them pretty badly.

 

[Tom_ed1987]

Have a read of the Guardian comments section relating to ’traingate' if you want a laugh
Corbyn is utterly ridiculous.

 

[datalol-jack]

Ah yes, but what happens when the Government overspends again and has to make cuts?

It's pretty clear to me that Governments getting involved in companies, in general, run them pretty badly.

From what I gathered, the plan is briefly this: borrow while interest rates are low; take off franchises from under-performing price-inflators; invest in infrastructure and make its profits self-sustaining, which we then use to a). feed further investment and b). repay some of the debt; then inflate away most of the remaining debt. When interest rates and inflation rise, the idea is not, contrary to the common assumption, to keep borrowing further. In theory this avoids the need for corrective cuts, and in saner versions you actually compete against the top private performers to keep the state-owned sector robust and the private companies more focused on the public good, which you'll be seeking to optimise, as opposed to just prices and profit.

Sadly all major economics heads have jumped Jezza's boat a while back. It hasn't progressed since.

 

[doodah]

Have a read of the Guardian comments section relating to ’traingate' if you want a laugh
Corbyn is utterly ridiculous.

Which specific article? All the ones I am finding don't have comments.

 

[FishFluff]

there is very little support for a true left wing party in the general population.

But bizarrely there's broad support for left wing policies.

I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that we're stuck with the Tories for at least another decade. Corbyn will never win a GE, neither would Smith. Labour have no other MPs who would make a decent leader (that the population would actually vote for).

Just sit back and enjoy watching the country go to ruin (if you're poor or disabled).

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Can somebody, please, explain why re-nationalising the railways would solve the overcrowding

Profit that goes to shareholders and private investors/owners could instead be invested in improvements.

 

[Mr Jack]

Sadly all major economics heads have jumped Jezza's boat a while back. It hasn't progressed since.

I was quite optimistic when Corbyn announced his left wing economists think-tank but it seems to have been an entirely wasted effort and they've not picked up anything much from them.

 

[Faustus]

In the end people saw through Blair and his "New Labour" tho. Brown lost the election. And many people do not remember Blair fondly in 2016.

Let's not forget the bad from Blair's legacy...

The Iraq war (based on lies).
Massive use of "spin".
Policy of deliberate mass immigration, to "rub the people's noses in multiculturalism".
"There's no money left."
Tuition fees
Outsourcing public functions to private providers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...molish-the-myth-about-tony-blair-7808282.html

Apparently a lot of Tories see Blair as "one of us".

And in Blair's memoirs, he cites the Freedom of Information Act as one of his biggest mistakes. "Governments have to be able to keep secrets from their people; to decide things behind closed doors. Showing people what politicians are doing only reduces trust in them."

I'm really not sure who a Blair-style Labour party is appealing to today? People whose instincts are aligned with the Tories but prefer red to blue? Heh.

If the PLP are mostly the next-gen of Blair and co, I'd rather see what's in box #2.

Nope, I would have Tony back in a heart beat - great PM. I have a signed picture of him on my desk. It was through him I got rather a good job with a very nice pension

Corbyn will never sniff an election victory whereas TB had three and left office undefeated. The Blair legacy for me is good good good.

 

[easyrider]

Nope, I would have Tony back in a heart beat - great PM. I have a signed picture of him on my desk. It was through him I got rather a good job with a very nice pension

Corbyn will never sniff an election victory whereas TB had three and left office undefeated. The Blair legacy for me is good good good.

Iraq?

Countless dead...women ,children, and soldiers


For no reason what so ever...

 

[Christmas themed thank]

If Iraq hadn't happened...Tony Blair would, IMO, be seen as a very good PM by quite a lot of people.

It's bizarre that a man that got a party elected three times, seems so quick to ignore him. Very odd indeed.

 

[Billies Bangers]

That may be but if the next stop is another 2 hours and no one claims, surely you could sit down? Mind you, Laura Kuenssberg would probably make 20 tweets about JC stealing train seats from hard working people.

I travel regulary on Virgin and CC trains that are full and with empty reserved seats. I sit in the reserved seats as do many others until the person who has reserved the seat comes to claim it, at which point I then vacate it. That's what Corbyn could have done. He was simply trying to make political capital and it's backfired big time.

 

[Billies Bangers]

Iraq?

Countless dead...women ,children, and soldiers


For no reason what so ever...

That's what happens in wars. What's your point? WW1 WW2 Korea etc. etc. There was a reason, it's just you may not have agreed with it.

 

[Faustus]

That's what happens in wars. What's your point? WW1 WW2 Korea etc. etc. There was a reason, it's just you may not have agreed with it.

You took the words right out of my mouth there Billy. He did what he thought was right at the time. Let's not forget Sadam was murdering hundreds of thousands of his own people through genocide.

 

[RaohNS]

That's what happens in wars. What's your point? WW1 WW2 Korea etc. etc. There was a reason, it's just you may not have agreed with it.

You took the words right out of my mouth there Billy. He did what he thought was right at the time. Let's not forget Sadam was murdering hundreds of thousands of his own people through genocide.

What he thought was right? He knew it was a lie, lied to parliament, lied to the public and even had people offed who were trying to prevent and disprove. Remember what they did to Hans Blix? Smear after smear.

Blair committed us to war a year before we went. Fact.