The next Labour leader thread

Not a massive fan of Corbyn but i like to be fair and that article is a poor attempt to make him seem like the political elite of today. You cant put him into the same category as the other boys and talking about his music tastes and salary stupid. He earns that because its what his job is worth, does it mean anyone who ever steps in that role will be disconnected from society?

As for his house price, most people on this forum that live near me would easily have that sort of value property, if not more and not consider themselves wealth. Comfortable but not wealthy.

That article just plays on jealousy.

What was your point in leaving it there?

How much do you think he should earn, the 27,500 average?

pfft a 600k house in london is not out of the ordinary for the average bloke.
 
Hambut_Bulge said:
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Like the article that doesn't actually present it how it should. Corbyn resides in London where his salary is actually only 3 or 4 times (dependent on source) the average. In any rational persons mind, this is reasonable.

He can claim a state pension as its an entitlement god forbid. He is entitled to take a salary in addition to his wage as an MP. He also claims comparatively little in expenses too.

His house if it is £600,000 is cheap. The average terrace in Islington is £1.358m and the average semi near 2m.

Again I question the deceptive nature of the publication. More drip drip drip smear.
 
Looking at that article I would suggest he is undoubtedly wealthy and is going to receive a pension very few could hope to get. But he is not absurdly wealthy, in line with what I would imagine a senior GP will pull in. Is he in the elite, not really he is not pulling in millions or the scion of a very wealthy family. He is probably at the level of wealth would aspire to even if we won't achieve it.
 
I would class him as very rich by my standards. But relatively not.

It was like the little story they ran months ago saying he is sitting on a £3m pension pot. But the maths show he's basically having about £30-£40k a year go up when you take off interest.

A £3m pension in that environment is pittance. Corbyn is said to retire in £50k.

Cameron (who said he would waiver the pension because he is Rich lol) has only been there since 2001 and could have expected a £23-25k per year payout. Perspective is the factor.
 
That he claims to be a man of the people, yet earns 5 times the average wage? I appreciate that by North London standards that may be 'average'; unsure whether he has a mortgage. But whether Corbyn likes to admit it or not, by most 'ordinary' (ie: non-London) standards, that is fairly well off.

As for the musical comments, its a form of reverse snobbery. What have class/social status/wealth to do with musical taste? Nothing. He complains that "only the wealthy can go to ballet, only the wealthy can go to opera, only the wealthy can go to Glyndebourne". Yet tickets for a performance of Don Giovanni at Glyndebourne range between £10 and £60.

IMO Corbyn sees the world through a narrow-minded prism of spit and envy, and comments like this do nothing to improve that opinion.
 
RaohNS said:
Labour party is purging Corbyn voters from some letters doing the rounds on twitter. This is fraud.
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You are going to need long pockets before you get much older as you might well be spending lots of time in court defending your regular unsubstantiated libellous statements. :eek:
 
I think rather others see him with envy, with the though 'grrr, he says he is the average bloke but he earns xxx. I am the average bloke, why cant i earn that.... he is a knob!'

He is a man of the people not in numbers (though they dont really seem that much) but in what he stands for. I believe he puts on a bit of an act but at the same time, he has far more in common with the modern man than any other politician that claims they know the common man, be them DC, Nige or Boris.

BTW his earning is a result of being an MP, you cant really say anything about that. It is not a greedy bonus at the expense of the grunt workers or share holders, which papers like to portray when talking about supermarket directors or big bankers. His earning and house is middle class by my standards for this area and really, given time served, he has sort of earned it compared to the others who have just got boosted through mates and have a huge side company handing cash to dwarf the MP salary.

You are picking his use of the word wealthy in one context and comparing it to another posed to him. Just because he likes the music, doesnt mean he suddenly has no credibility.

There are things you can say to defame and discredit Corbyn, but what you stated just discredits yourself :D

He is well off but wealthy to me, means a lifestyle of extravagance rather than middle class comfort.
 
Hambut_Bulge said:
That he claims to be a man of the people, yet earns 5 times the average wage? I appreciate that by North London standards that may be 'average'; unsure whether he has a mortgage. But whether Corbyn likes to admit it or not, by most 'ordinary' (ie: non-London) standards, that is fairly well off.

As for the musical comments, its a form of reverse snobbery. What have class/social status/wealth to do with musical taste? Nothing. He complains that "only the wealthy can go to ballet, only the wealthy can go to opera, only the wealthy can go to Glyndebourne". Yet tickets for a performance of Don Giovanni at Glyndebourne range between £10 and £60.

IMO Corbyn sees the world through a narrow-minded prism of spit and envy, and comments like this do nothing to improve that opinion.
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That's talking about a perception surely.

Faustus said:
You are going to need long pockets before you get much older as you might well be spending lots of time in court defending your regular unsubstantiated libellous statements. :eek:
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Doubtful Faustus. The Labour party are finding themselves potential defendants in cases should people pursue action. The party seem to be looking up members twitter and social media.

Bit like me saying: Virgin should be fined for price fixing with BA.

That is a form of rigging and this may be no different
 
I don't much care personally what he gets paid, any more than I do/did Cameron. Corbyn, though attacks wealth, but then earns (as do most politicians) an amount that most of the people that he (especially) claims to represent would regard as being well-off. But, I do agree, it is all relative.

What especially annoyed me though is his presumption that only the very wealthy (ie more than him) can enjoy the arts. Here there is a classic logical fallacy

Rich posh people go to the opera
Poorer working class people don't
Therefore the opera is too expensive

But when evening at Glyndebourne is cheaper than an afternoon on the terraces then obviously "wealth" has nothing to do with it. What we're left with is Corbyn's venal hatred of what he (again its relative) thinks of as "wealth".

Incidentally, if as Corbyn says, he is a classical music lover, he'd know what a ticket to Glyndebourne costs. So that's another porkie pie this week...
 
RaohNS said:
Doubtful Faustus. The Labour party are finding themselves potential defendants in cases should people pursue action. The party seem to be looking up members twitter and social media.

Bit like me saying: Virgin should be fined for price fixing with BA.

That is a form of rigging and this may be no different
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Don't say you haven't been warned. A number of your posts have been sailing pretty close to the wind.

BTW I will be voting - guess who I won't be voting for? :p
 
Faustus said:
BTW I will be voting - guess who I won't be voting for? :p
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Doesn't matter, its all rigged. They dont just stick anyone in the job, only the ones that can make money for the top dogs. Though i can certainly see the appeal in having voiced your two cents, i just dont believe X-factor is as 'reality TV' as they say.
 
Faustus said:
Don't say you haven't been warned. A number of your posts have been sailing pretty close to the wind.

BTW I will be voting - guess who I won't be voting for? :p
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You really think I'm going to have someone seriously take me to Court for libel?

You wont be voting Owen Smith which is encouraging especially as he's taking money and advice from a former spinster. Stick a libel on that if you want.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
Doesn't matter, its all rigged. They dont just stick anyone in the job, only the ones that can make money for the top dogs. Though i can certainly see the appeal in having voiced your two cents, i just dont believe X-factor is as 'reality TV' as they say.
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Well as I was typing I looked at my signed photo of TB and said, what a pity it's still not you. :)
 
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