****The Official 5G Home Broadband Thread**** (Three/EE/Vodafone/etc)

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There's not a dedicated thread for 5G home broadband that I can see, and with Three's current offering at £27 a month for 24 months, with unlimited data, and the 1st 6 months at half price, 5G could now potentially be a replacement for fixed line broadband for some people.

Myself included.

Background: My house has a BT Openreach FTTC connection, and that's it. No Virgin media, no FTTP. Current sync rate on the Vodafone FTTC is 32mbps, but I've had a struggle getting that. Over the past 2 years the line from house to telegraph pole has been replaced along with the master socket, and a fault at the exchange fixed. At times it's been under 20mbps.

Virgin Media did a big expansion to within a few hundred metres from me, but stopped there, and with no sign of them coming to my street any time soon, I started looking at options.

The Three 5G coverage checker has me right on the edge of a 'no coverage' hole, probably due to the elevation, to the north (and between my house and the mast) is a dip where I doubt any connection would be possible. It also said the signal was good outdoors, I was .75km away from a good indoor signal.

As Three offer a 30 day money back guarantee, I thought it would be worth a test to see if it could work. I placed the order with Three on Monday evening and it was delivered this morning. Once I got home, it took 5 minutes to 'install' it and get some semblance of an internet connection.

This is the router that's supplied, the Huawei 5G CPE Pro:


The 3 lights are (from the bottom up) Wifi, 4G connection and the most important one of all, 5G connection.

The few hours that followed were spent trying every single window sill I could, to get a signal. I knew where my 5G mast was - 900m away as the crow flies, at probably 100ft higher elevation, with tree/houses etc in the way, but could I get a solid 5g signal for more than 5 minutes? No. Things were not looking good... Everything I'd read told me to place the router as close to a window as possible, don't have curtains drawn between the router and the window, and make sure it can see the sky.

After this, I thought sod it, and paced the router on a bookshelf some 6ft inside the room, still facing the window at the correct angle, and.... constant 5g connection. Not a single drop out for 20 mins, 30 mins, 40 mins.... 1hr, 2hrs... hold on. I drew the thick blackout curtains. The signal remained. It was lower than what I was getting when I did get 5g on the window sill, but more importantly it was stable.

I think the window frames were interfering with the signal, as raising the router into the middle of the window pan improved thing a bit, but not to get a reliable connection.



So, what sort of speed does a relatively poor (25-50% according to the router, however it also shows 4 out of 5 bars) 5G signal, in the middle of a particularly wet and windy evening, and at the range limitation of a 5g mast, get you? Well, it's not currently the 5G headline speeds of 3/400mbps, that's for sure. But it is a HELL of a lot better than 25-30mbps. I'll have a further play with the router location tomorrow evening so see if I can further improve the signal, and to see what a clear day does regarding the signal.

Now, I will say - on a good signal, I've often had 90-100mbps on my EE 4G phone connection, so to some this may seem poor - the ping on a 4G connection for gaming etc isn't really there yet, 5G improves upon this, and hopefully with favourable weather and a bit more fine tuning of the router location I can get a stable, regular 150mbps download speed. Remember, I'm 900m from the mast, with trees/houses etc in between and no line of sight. The fact I get any signal at all, is pretty remarkable, in fact.




 
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Those low single thread figures suggest Three's network is congested, which is hardly surprising as they seem to have a habit for that. I would suggest keeping a record of your speeds over time so that in the event of any obvious and sustained drop-off you have the evidence to be able to show that you should be released from your contract.

I'm waiting to see what Teltonika and Mikrotik offer up for 5G before hopping on board - putting the radio on the outside of the house is going to be better than fighting with antenna cables.
I'm going to be keeping a very close eye on it over the next week or 2, but tbh stability is more important than speed, I work from home with a vpn connection so need a stable connection, I'd take a slightly slower connection of it's more stable.
You need to be inside 500m to get decent 5G communications. With direct line of sight.
Yep, for the best connection I agree, but as this proves, you don't need to be that close to get a usable 5G signal.
Probably not a dedicated thread, due to the massive amount of people that still can not get it

It's still early days but it's available in a lot of towns and cities now, obviously the majority of people who can get 5G will also be able to get superfast speed via a fixed line, but there's always people like me who's only option for fast Internet is this.

And cost wise Three are the only real option at the moment. EE want £100 a month for a 200gb allowance, vodafone gigacube is £60 a month for unlimited data.
 
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I'm suprised you don't have a stronger 4G available, I get 150ish with 4G in my area (no 5G here yet).
I've tested 4g with EE (current phone contract) and three - EE at the front of the house barely gets 10mbps down and less than 1 mbps up. At the back, 20-30 down and 30 up. On Three, it's a similar story, slightly better at the front but not more than 20-30mbps at any time aside from 1am on EE where I've randomly seen 100mbps!
Great write up, thanks @TallPaul_S! My situation is similar to yours (albeit on EE) where the coverage checker says "outdoor only". Even with your poor signal your download speed is more than 2x my VDSL2 (FTTC). I do wish your upload was better though because sub-10mbit is disappointing.

Are you tempted to install an external antenna? How is the ping jitter?

As I understand it, the 4G signal is still used for upload, hence the poor figures compared to the download speeds. Annoyingly, I can get 20 down and 30 up on 4g alone out the back but there's zero 5g signal there :(

An external antenna is definitely something I'll be looking into if the connection is stable, £150 they cost so not too bad. The ping jitter is OK but not the best, need to do more testing with this.

If you want one, just start one. There’s no rules about who starts an ‘official’ thread. Just start a thread with ‘****The Official 5G Thread****’ and post some relevant stuff and you’ve done it!

Done! :D
 
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Quick update. With much better weather, and some fine tuning of the location (I actually carted the thing all over the house before finding the original location was almost perfect), which turned out to be around 2-3ft away from the first spot, I'm now seeing 160-180mbps down, occasionally 200mbps, and 10-15mbps up.




Bear in mind this is my FTTC connection:


Last week I downloaded COD Zombies which was 58GB on the PS5. The estimated time to download was 8-9 hours.
I've just set off Doom Eternal which is 63GB and it's sating around 50 minutes. I'm flabbergasted. I timed it taking 45 seconds to download 1GB of data.
 
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Really interesting thread. Please keep us posted on your longer term views. I have a perception that mobile is more variable than wired so I would be interested to hear if that is your experience.

Not that I can imagine as a suburban town and a house in a dip will mean I have it anytime soon...
The speed is certainly there, but it's the latency/stability which is the question for me too.

Playing online on Warzone last night I was seeing 40-70ms ping with zero packet loss, and people were dropping fairly easily. Had a couple of times when the button presses weren't registering but that might not have been network.

I've been in the office this week but will be WFH next week so will see how it is with a constant vpn connection, RDP connection, and VOIP calls.
 
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All good so far, the 5g signal does drop in stability a little when it's raining, but moving the router 2ft solves that issue, with slightly lower speeds (100mbps), so not really a big issue. Still getting between 100-200mbps peak depending on the time of day, weather etc, averaging around 150-160mbps.



The only other issue I'm having is the wifi signal isn't the best on the router, right next to the device it's great - full speed up to 200mbps. But the next room over, or anywhere further and it's very inconsistent, ranging from 20-30mbps right down to 5mpbps, so I'm going to look at getting a cheap mesh wifi system to improve the coverage. A cheap system with 10/100 port should will give 80-90mbps everywhere which is more than enough for wifi, and my PS5, main PC and work laptop are all hardwire to a gigabit switch with the CPE pro router so they will get full speed.

I'll be working from home Mon/Tues this week so that will be a proper test, with a constant VPN and RDP connection for 8.5hrs. Had no issues with gaming, got a win on Warzone and not noticed an lag issues.
 
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Yeah I've read the mesh systems without dedicated backhaul (like the Deco M4) can do 500mbps with ethernet backhaul but without it, once on the 3rd unit the speed will have dropped to 120mbps.

Not a problem on the Tenda Nova MW3 as it only has 10/100 ports so 90ish mbps is the upper limit, with much faster wireless protocol between the units, so should be able to get 90mbps on all units. Which is fine for my use. Good value at £60 too.

OK, the wifi is shockingly bad, fair enough as I imagine most of the internal space is being used for the 5G antennas.

25ft away through 2 walls, I get this:
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Move to within 10ft in the same room as the router and:
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In breif, if possible. What is the difference between a mesh network and two routers with the same SSID and password?
It's mainly the switching between access points. With two normal access points with the same SSID, the device will connect to the one with the strongest signal, and will normally try and hold onto that connection even though the other AP might have a stronger signal, meaning you see a weak signal until it drops and then connects to the other AP.

With a mesh network you should be able to walk around all the AP's and the device will seamlessly switch from one to the other. And you only need one network point to supply the main unit, with two AP's you'd need a second ethernet point.
 
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Had a very strange issue this morning - my setup is (was) 5G CPE Pro doing DHCP with a TP Link Deco Mesh in AP mode. Had been working with zero issues for a few days, but after some troubleshooting I noticed the Huawei router had assigned it's WAN IP address from the internal DHCP range (192.168.8.x) and so wasn't able to connect to the internet. It seemed to do this at 3am this morning as my Deco gave a notification saying it had connected as a new device.

I'd done a reset of the Huawei router with no luck, but a reboot of the mesh somehow allowed the Huawei to get a proper public WAN IP address. :confused::confused:

I've now turned off DHCP on the Huawei, with everything getting an IP from the mesh (192.168.68.100-250), and the mesh has set itself to dynamic IP with an internal IP from the router (192.168.8.103).

Fingers crossed that's the end of that, erm... issue. Feature? :p:D:confused:
 
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Pleased I stumbled across this thread. Never even considered 5G for home broadband, but a quick google search tells me my city went 5G late last year, and that my house is on the border of dark/light pink.

So I grabbed a sim from three to test.....no 5g, only 4g lol

oh well. I'll have to put up with shocking FTTC for a while longer.
Be aware you may need to be in just the right spot to get a 5g signal, and the antennas in the 5g routers are much bigger than a phone antenna.

Best thing to do is find where you 5g tower is, and so long as you're within 1km, and not blocked by a physical land mass, you should be able to get a signal.

Dark pink means you're very close to the tower, I'm on the border of light pink and zero coverage and still get 75% 5g signal, so you're probably not in the right room/looking the right way when testing 5g.

Interestingly, I can get 150-160mbps down fairly consistently in one spot, but it's not all that stable. Move the router 2ft and it's down to 100-110mbps BUT it's pretty much 100% stable. I tested the router outside the other day (like on the window sill outside, 1ft from the unstable location) and the speeds went up to well over 200mbps and upload over 20mbps too, so I may look at an external antenna at some point.
 
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Sorry to hijack but its the only 5G thread going.

Got my New router and set it to bridge mode, thank god it had it, and 5 mins later everything is GTG.

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Pretty damn happy. Yes ping still isn't uber but, my god i live in the Article circle and still get 50-60ms to most CEurope gaming servers... lol

i do live about ~400 meters from the only 5G tower in town... so that's some luck.. Considering i live about 50 meters from the 1Gbit fibre network at the end of the road.... Which they will never draw to me cos its not worth it for 1 bloody house......

I do expect this to get worse as more users adopt 5G but ill enjoy it for as long as possible :p
Its almost like living in civilization again.

Fantastic, that's some good speeds!!

Brilliant!!

I have a dual sim phone. Sim1 is vodafone (no 5g yet) which has a mast not too far away, and Sim2 is on three (5g). That mast seems to be 1,300m away in the other direction. I know the area well so may take a walk when the weathers a bit better.

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The yellow X is where the app is telling me the mast is

OK, might be a red herring. Various apps are telling me wildly different things. The opensignal app is telling me there are hundreds of masts all around me, supplying both vodafone and 3 services. No 5g though, which goes against what the 3 website is saying.

Based on that map, your 5G mast is going to be in the area north east of the dropped pin, probably just south of that shoeprint shaped lake. Ignore the bits under the pin, that's water so the signal travels well as there's zero obstructions. Your mast will 100% be in the middle of that main dark pin area.

This is my coverage map, with the yellow dot being the last location.
 
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Brilliant!!

I have a dual sim phone. Sim1 is vodafone (no 5g yet) which has a mast not too far away, and Sim2 is on three (5g). That mast seems to be 1,300m away in the other direction. I know the area well so may take a walk when the weathers a bit better.

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The yellow X is where the app is telling me the mast is

OK, might be a red herring. Various apps are telling me wildly different things. The opensignal app is telling me there are hundreds of masts all around me, supplying both vodafone and 3 services. No 5g though, which goes against what the 3 website is saying.

Couldn't help but have a look, and since I sort of recognised your area, I've found your mast :) Will send you a pm with the location. BTW, it's exactly where I thought it would be.

This is the beast, this streetview is from 2012 so it'll have had the 5G additions to it.

 
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Update from me as I've now had Three 5G for nearly 3 months - still getting a pretty consistent 100-120mbps down and 2-10mbps up


I do have the occasional day where the upload is zero and the ping is around 10ms lower for some reason - a quick move of the router about 3ft normally sorts this out.

I am still tempted by an external antenna, I did a quick and dirty test a while back with the H112-370 sat on the outside of the window sill and instantly got double the speed and double the upload.

As for reliability, I work from home 4/5 days a week and use a VPN which has to be constantly connected, I make VOIP calls over the VPN, and have a RDP connection running separately - all work brilliantly.

Often have zoom calls and another remote connection going too.

Warzone on the PS5 is excellent too, no issues with lag or latency, so online gaming is fine too.

If I could have anything, I'd have a better upload speed as some days it can be as low as 2-3mbps, an external antenna should fix that as I'm sure it's using the 5G connection for that.
 
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Just tried the dirty "external" test and results are:

Inside:
104.24 down 3.09 up 17ms
104.06 down 3.75 up 17ms

Outside:
207.88 down 9.68 up 13ms
207.58 down 8.81 up 14ms

And a final one back inside:
106.71 down 2.92 up 23ms

That's with just the router placed on the windowsill outside.

The Poynting XPOL-1 V2 5G looks to be recommended, omnidirectional one - I only have one mast which I know the location of so probably would be better of with the the directional but that version is twice the price.
 
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Hi, Can anyone tell me if I buy an unlimited plan with a Huawei 5G CPE Pro from EE or Vodaphone that if the 5G is limited or not yet rolled out yet, I can still use it on a strong 4G signal instead? My family will be moving back into my parent in laws in the coming weeks and will like to setup my own internet for home working. 5G service is currently limited on Vodaphone and not there (yet) from EE but is in other parts of my town. Is there any benefit from waiting for EE or shall I see how it works with Vodaphone. I'm tempted to get the rolling 30 day contract as monthly costs are the same on Vodaphone, I just spend more upfront for the Huawei 5G CPE Pro.
I would think it will depend entirely on the 4g signal strength. If mine ever drops to 4g it's nigh on unusable, but then my 5g signal is around 75% and 4g is 25%, so that's why.

I would question why you're looking to buy a 5G broadband product when 5G isn't available - unless of course you're planning to move to a 5G area within the contract length, it would make better sense to buy a 4G router and contract.


I'm going to be moving house in August and will be moving to an area where the 5G signal stops short around 200m away, according to the Nperf 5G maps. And the only broadband at the new place is FTTC with a speed of around 50mbps :(

I'll take the router with me and test the connection, the same maps say there's 4g+ so will check the speed on that. Otherwise I'll be testing the cancellation policy of Three 5G broadband.
 
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I'm no where near the coverage for 5G, but still have it, looking at the maps I am 500-700m or more out of the range.
Hmm, thanks - I'll definitely be testing it before getting rid, the new house is in one of the highest areas in our town too. Not too sure where the nearest mast is (I know 2 mast locations but they're the other side of town and I'm sure there's a 3rd going by the coverage).

Is that the Three maps or the Nperf 5G map you're going off? As the Three map gives us being 550m out of range, the nperf map only 200m.

https://www.nperf.com/en/map/5g
 
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Hey all, I wonder if anyone is using Three 5g Home Broadband and has the same issue as me or any solutions:
It works absolutely fine on my laptop. However, when using on Firestick or PS5, they both say connected to wifi, but cannot use any services, e.g. Netflix, Prime and on PS5 it's connected too but I'm not allowed to sign into the Playstation Network. When I use my 5g hotspot from my phone I can use both no problem, so the issue is clearly the 5g home broadband router (Huewaei). Anyone had something similar or have a solution? Many thanks.
Might sound strange, but what's your ping/speed you normally get?

I occasionally get an issue where my ping (normally 16ms) goes down to 6-8ms, and the upload speed disappears completely, and pretty much nothing works. A quick move of the router into one of the 3 locations within 2ft of each other normally sorts it. Ping goes back up to 16ms and the UL speed goes back to 3-10mbps from zero.
 
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