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*** The Official Alder Lake owners thread ***

@Robert896r1 thanks for that. I wondered what...

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.....was when I had briefly noted you posting it before.
 
@Robert896r1 just noting that it pulls over 263w suggests how much it is stressing all aspects of the CPU. Thankfully my 420mm AIO seems good enough to ensure no core throttling. You have done well with your 12600k. Altho would you consider the vcore and settings you have used to achieve stability for that test suitable for your day to day use..?
 
@Vimes those are daily settings. I don’t really do “bench” settings. I’m also a major advocate for being stable and never having a CTD or blue screen etc. I mainly sim race so the idea of having an unstable PC in a 24hr race that lets the team down is a big no for me.

My voltages totally fine for me. Keep in mind, with adaptive my set voltage never is seen and with a droopy llc4 under actual load the voltage tanks. So 1.4 in bios isn’t anything close to that in reality.

One thing to avoid on intel is negative offsets. You’re better of tuning down your target voltage instead.
 
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Y-Cruncher is very good for testing the IMC and memory tunes, I normally use it along aside RAM Test / MemTest Pro and TM5 (Extreme 1)

I normally use the one bundled with the Bench Mate toolset as its that a bit easier to use.
 
Can any of you experts give me a clue as to whether my memory is running correctly? I've attached some cpu-z pictures.
Uncore frequency drops to 3598.2Mhz when the cpu is benched.
If I use the stress cpu option in cpu-z, the score sits at just over 10000 points @70C


I've got the 8-Pack Ripped 3600 CL14 DDR4 16GB

In bios I just selected the xmp profile (only one xmp option is available, so I selected it)

The 12700K is clocked at: P-cores @ 5Ghz and e-cores @ 4Ghz with a -0.125v offset.

Everything else is untouched.

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I'll reboot and check to see what gear I'm in :D:D

OK so I'm in gear 1, happy days :D
 
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@Robert896r1 point taken, I did not know that you used adaptive, people approach their vcore settings differently. Some would argue that having some vdroop is not a bad thing, rather than more extreme LLC settings.
So far having a small negative offset seems to be holding up fine. There are other was to approach vcore, as well as overclocking. Perhaps one day I might be curious enough to try overclocking by individual core and not an all core option.
 
FlyingFish said:
Can any of you experts give me a clue as to whether my memory is running correctly? I've attached some cpu-z pictures.
Uncore frequency drops to 3598.2Mhz when the cpu is benched.
If I use the stress cpu option in cpu-z, the score sits at just over 10000 points @70C


I've got the 8-Pack Ripped 3600 CL14 DDR4 16GB

In bios I just selected the xmp profile (only one xmp option is available, so I selected it)

The 12700K is clocked at: P-cores @ 5Ghz and e-cores @ 4Ghz with a -0.125v offset.

Everything else is untouched.

3yPiRm4.jpeg
FqwkS1h.jpeg

I'll reboot and check to see what gear I'm in :D:D

OK so I'm in gear 1, happy days :D
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Looks fine from those, HWINFO64 will tell you your Gear mode in Windows but if the BIOS is set to Gear 1, the you're at Gear 1.

CPU-Z's bench for my 12700KF is 777 and 9371 respectively although I am at stock speeds.
 
@Robert896r1 I remember what you posted previously to help @mrk when he had some memory type errors. You suggested raising both the memory voltage to 1.4 and VCCSA to 1.3v.
Since I changed from gigabytes default setting of Auto (Gear 2) to Gear 1 (manually changed) then I might have to need to increase my voltages you noted above.
The MSI 690 Pro I did have seemed to default to Gear 1.

I also bought that memory checking utility you suggested earlier. So I'll see.

I am now realising that whilst settings can be applied that seem fine for a run of Cinebench it can be something else once you start trying out the Cruncher and OCCT Extreme test you had mentioned, for stability.

You don't happen to know the default voltage for the VCCSA setting do you, understanding that that could be different..? Whilst I can set that the Gigabyte board I now have isn't like the previous Master, meaning no secondary IT87952E chip onboard to monitor the actual VCCSA voltage that is being applied.

Thanks
 
Thanks, to both of you. This Gigabyte Aorus board can adjust the SA voltage but does not tell you what it actually is. IIRC the MSI 690 Pro board I had would default to Gear 1 but at that time I was using 3200Mhz DDR. I don't know if that had a monitoring capability for the SA voltage, sent mine back before it became relevant to me. Until my 4000Mhz sticks are replaced by Corsair I am using 3600Mhz memory and, AFAIK, anything over 3200 is considered to be OC by Intel. How that is implemented on each vendors board I suppose is up to them. Gigabyte, I think, tend to be a little more cautious, hence the default Auto means Gear 2. But again I haven't got much of a clue what the SA voltage actually is.
I can find several videos, some seem quite informed, of what you can set it to to achieve either an overclock or stability with higher RAM speeds and Gear 1 but not necessarily what it should be at default settings - which probably are interpreted as noted by different vendors.

It did indeed @mrk and saved you a lot of money and further diagnostics etc. For me the Gear 1 and 2 mode are relatively new to my experience.
And running both Cruncher and OCCT as a means to help to determine stability is something else compared to Cinebench and a few games.

found it here on the front page.....



that is with the SA voltage manually set. All I need to do is set it back to auto to see what Gigabyte would set it to with my 3600Mhz RAM.
 
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@mrk and @Robert896r1

Just to add this is the SA voltage at Gear 1 with 3600Mhz Corsair memory....



it actually makes it higher than what I set it to at 1.3v. It is now 1.346v.....!

Kinda surprised at that and it seems, at least from the perspective of reducing voltages, to be better off with manual settings as long as there is stability.
 
lol, gotta agree there....! Thanks again btw for your posts , they have been helpful..!

Setting the SA at 1.3v and the RAM to 1.4 whilst on Gear 1 and all seems very well. Yup motherboard vendors are kinda notorious in boosting voltages, as well as making choices for the Gear 1 / 2 settings to influence potential performance. The "safe" choice would have been Gear 2 for Auto, but not with MSI it seems, albeit using 3200Mhz at the time.
 
Indeed it does, make sense. Just shows what a vendor will do in terms of default voltages. It will be interesting to see what happens with my 4000Mhz RAM.
The MSI Pro 690 A has to be the best VFM board, that happens to perform very well. Exceptionally capable, liked how all four of the M2 slots are placed, individually, and accessible.
I have seen it as low as £169..!
 
Seeing great results after testing my new RAM @ 6200Mhz C36, just need to tighten the other timings a bit further.

Hoping 13900k has a further improved IMC, to allow for 7000Mhz+ kits!
 
Not sure I will bother dropping in a 13700K/KF tbh given how nice this is performing. Unless the gains are noticeable then I reckon this 12700KF will last me as long as, if not longer than, the 6700K I had for like 5 years+

That does not mean I will stay on DDR4 for 5yrs+ though, just move over to DDR5 once prices and latencies drop to normal levels :p

Then the 12700 will have a little bit of a boost at the same time with only minimal costs involved once the old board and RAM are sold.
 
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