Will it make any difference in games. That's all I do.
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Will it make any difference in games. That's all I do.
Soldato
Only if streaming or capturing gameplay.
I see no difference in games as I use GeForce Experience which has zero impact on fps when capturing games at native res. Sure it's only a £30 max saving, but it's not a feature I have ever used in production workloads or anything and I use my main rig for work and play. Always used dedicated GPU acceleration in editing apps (Davinci Resolve etc) which don't rely on Quick Sync/iGPU.
Soldato
12700K is now the same price or less than the KF, or if your world revolved around OCUK only then £10 more. It is bad advice not to get it right now.
If the price is indeed negligible between both then yes it's a no brainer really. This wasn't the case when I bought at launch however.
Soldato
Forgot to respond to your comment earlier. If you use higher quality video in Davinci then it most certainly does utilise QuickSync and is in fact a huge feature, where even RTX 3xxx cards don't have a full set of hardware decoding support regardless of it being a 3060 or a 3090.
What H.264 and H.265 Hardware Decoding is Supported in DaVinci Resolve Studio?
Davinci Resolve Studio supports hardware-based decoding for H.264 and H.265 (HEVC) which can significantly improve performance with these codecs, but not all "flavors" of these codecs are supported depending on the bit depth and chroma subsampling used. In addition, support can change depending...
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If you are using something like H.265 10-bit 4:2:2 recorded directly from a mirrorless camera, the iGPU is the only option for hardware acceleration in DR Studio. Interestingly both GPU's can be working simultaneously as well, which further improves workflow speed.
It's important to get this information out there, as many people only watch daft HUB, or GN video and have no idea how these things work in the real world, and just make assumptions or pass on other bad/false information with no first hand experience of what is on offer.
As above some what moot point when they are the same price, though I am sure lots of people made the mistake of getting a KF due to duff info when they first came out.
I have no doubt there is an element of improved speed with Quick Sync being added on top of the already quick dGPU encoding in Davinci, but is it really night and day? For example I just this minute encoded a B-roll clip in 4K 30fps, it is 1m 28s long and is using H265 (Main profile) and quality set to "Best" resulting in a ~40 seconds to encode time. Decoding in the monitor/timeline is more or less instant and smooth as well.
I suspect these things wholly boil down to individual use case scenarios though.
Next time round I upgrade the CPU, and if the price difference is small enough to be insignificant, then I will get the K variant as it's a no brainer, but if the difference is a fair chunk again then I'll opt for KF as current experience is more than adequate for this sort of usage that I am doing really.
Btw I have OpenCL disabled in Davinci settings as Nvidia cripple it in favour of CUDA. So CUDA is the manual selection.
I suspect these things wholly boil down to individual use case scenarios though.
Next time round I upgrade the CPU, and if the price difference is small enough to be insignificant, then I will get the K variant as it's a no brainer, but if the difference is a fair chunk again then I'll opt for KF as current experience is more than adequate for this sort of usage that I am doing really.
Btw I have OpenCL disabled in Davinci settings as Nvidia cripple it in favour of CUDA. So CUDA is the manual selection.
It's in stock where I just looked. Ships in 3-5 days. £370.
yea some dodgy place I never heard of, 3-5 days probably means they don't actually have stock either but are waiting for shipment.
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makes me wonder how close the 13*** lines of chips are, I thought it was still like 3+ months?
maybe everywhere just didn't anticipate demand for alderlake at this point though and got caught short :S
I got my basket on ocuk set up but keep managing to not click the order button
I guess now I don't need to worry about that for a few days
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What board is it going in? Either way though, seriously good times await.
Soldato
I got my basket on ocuk set up but keep managing to not click the order button
Unless you are 100% desperate then the obvious choice is to wait for 13th Gen or Zen4. If you go for 13th Gen, you'll get more L2 and L3 cache more E-cores in the 13700K/KF for effectively no extra outlay, so 8P+8E and 24T like a 12900K is now. Also DDR5 prices are dropping daily, 5600MT/s 32GB kits that can easily OC to 7000MT/s+ are sub £175 now, and the new 13th Gen will hopefully have much better IMC's so you'll be able to push them even further.
I'm joining the alderlake club with a 12700k and a sexy white case, I'm coming from a 4th gen I5 which is why I decided not to wait, and with inflation a 13700k and everything else will likely cost so much more that the extra 10-15% performance if that in gaming probably isn't worth waiting for.
Waiting for next gen GPUs though
Waiting for next gen GPUs though
Sorry chaps, slightly the wrong forum but general question for you, what DDR5 Alder Lake compatible board would you be looking at if you were to buy one?
I purchased a Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite and I'm having what seems to a rather common issue with it not wanting to post to BIOS. Followed all the standard trouble shooting advice, but its not having it, thinking of just giving up and purchasing a different board. Anything you have had out of the box compatibility with?
I purchased a Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite and I'm having what seems to a rather common issue with it not wanting to post to BIOS. Followed all the standard trouble shooting advice, but its not having it, thinking of just giving up and purchasing a different board. Anything you have had out of the box compatibility with?
Soldato
Tomahawk here, zero issues inc bios flash. It was also very easy to setup fan control on the rad and case fans.
Soldato
I have that Gigabyte Aorus Elite board, tho mine is the DDR4 type.
I hadn't realised that the DDR5 version is known to have issues you describe, but then again I haven't bothered with much to do with DDR5.
MSI boards seem decent vfm.
I hadn't realised that the DDR5 version is known to have issues you describe, but then again I haven't bothered with much to do with DDR5.
MSI boards seem decent vfm.
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Three cheers for that!
The CPU market is in such a great place right now. Anyone who owns any current AMD/Intel system owns something that can breeze through most tasks.
The 12400 and cheap motherboard has been a solid upgrade for me, even installing that additional frame was a few quid and very little time.
People can't seem to be happy with their products without peeing all over the other ones.
If the 5600 non-x was out at the time, I'd have had a harder time choosing. Still recommended that to a couple of friends in my city.
The CPU market is in such a great place right now. Anyone who owns any current AMD/Intel system owns something that can breeze through most tasks.
The 12400 and cheap motherboard has been a solid upgrade for me, even installing that additional frame was a few quid and very little time.
People can't seem to be happy with their products without peeing all over the other ones.
If the 5600 non-x was out at the time, I'd have had a harder time choosing. Still recommended that to a couple of friends in my city.
Recently dipped my toe back into the Intel pond as I wanted to try out an Alderlake system and compare it directly to Zen 3 (5900X with CO-15). Did a lot of thinking and ended up settling on a nice combo of the Asus X690 TUF DF (WiFi), 12700K and a Corsair MP600 Pro 1TB NVME SSD. Combined this all with the 3200C14 Ram I was already using and an adaptor kit for the venerable NH-D14 plus not forgetting my 3090 FE.
Obviously wasn't expecting anything earth shattering but its showing some interesting promise early on. A few FPS better in the CP2077 benchmark with RT and an outlier 11FPS faster at 1440p UW Native, Ultra settings with no RT. Not sure what happened there, but the results were consistent. I can only assume a re-test on the 5900X would bring it closer.
May end up moving over to Raptor lake / Zen 4 depending on the performance uplift with the next gen of GPU's. Nothing decided but I like tinkering with new hardware.
Obviously wasn't expecting anything earth shattering but its showing some interesting promise early on. A few FPS better in the CP2077 benchmark with RT and an outlier 11FPS faster at 1440p UW Native, Ultra settings with no RT. Not sure what happened there, but the results were consistent. I can only assume a re-test on the 5900X would bring it closer.
May end up moving over to Raptor lake / Zen 4 depending on the performance uplift with the next gen of GPU's. Nothing decided but I like tinkering with new hardware.
Gigabyte have released Z690 BIOS updates in the F20 version number. This supports "next gen" CPUs it seems.
And in other good news, I have had no further issues with the RAM, or noticed any perf drop by running it at 3200MHz. A lot of gaming and editing been done snce I last posted about it. I guess this RAM is only fully stable without a lot of faff at 3200, which is fine tbh for now. If I upgrade again to 14th gen then I will go DDR5 - That upgrade will have no budget really so will likely just go all out.
And in other good news, I have had no further issues with the RAM, or noticed any perf drop by running it at 3200MHz. A lot of gaming and editing been done snce I last posted about it. I guess this RAM is only fully stable without a lot of faff at 3200, which is fine tbh for now. If I upgrade again to 14th gen then I will go DDR5 - That upgrade will have no budget really so will likely just go all out.
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