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I get where you're coming from, but I don't think I have the knowledge to answer that properly; but I can try my best

Technically we're travelling at many millions of mph currently due to the speed of the Earth's rotation, orbit around the Sun, the Sun's path through space etc... We're just carried along for the ride really, but we measure our speed relative to our system so we never really think about it like that. So from what I can tell it depends on which point you're looking at... Relative to the Sun you would be travelling the speed you are going yourself, but relative to a 'stationary' point nearby you would be travelling your speed + the speed of the Solar system.

I hope I didn't over complicate that :p
 
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hmm, all i wonder is that if the universe was created with a big bang, the point which this explosion took place must be the center of the universe thus space expands like a balloon hence the expansion could theoretically be uniform and if not at least linear.

I was just thinking that we measure speed in relevance to sth, we are positioned on a "leg" of the galaxy and moving in a circular motion around the center of the galaxy. If we are moving at say X speed from right to left, launching a space craft that moves in relevance to the center of the milky way in the opposite direction we are moving then it halves the time it takes to rendezvous the solar system which is coming behind us.

Just a thought i had last night while spotting and thought to share with you...:)
 
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Yes that second paragraph is true I think... (Although they're 'arms' of a galaxy, not legs :D)

However there is no centre of the Universe, space is expanding from everywhere, not from a single point in space!
 
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This animation of supercomputer data takes you to the inner zone of the accretion disk of a stellar-mass black hole. Gas heated to 20 million degrees F as it spirals toward the black hole glows in low-energy, or soft, X-rays. Just before the gas plunges to the center, its orbital motion is approaching the speed of light. X-rays up to hundreds of times more powerful ("harder") than those in the disk arise from the corona, a region of tenuous and much hotter gas around the disk. Coronal temperatures reach billions of degrees. The event horizon is the boundary where all trajectories, including those of light, must go inward. Nothing, not even light, can pass outward across the event horizon and escape the black hole.

A new study by astronomers at NASA, Johns Hopkins University and the Rochester Institute of Technology confirms long-held suspicions about how stellar-mass black holes produce their highest-energy light.

By analyzing a supercomputer simulation of gas flowing into a black hole, the team finds they can reproduce a range of important X-ray features long observed in active black holes. Jeremy Schnittman, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., led the research.

Black holes are the densest objects known. Stellar black holes form when massive stars run out of fuel and collapse, crushing up to 20 times the sun's mass into compact objects less than 75 miles (120 kilometers) wide.
Gas falling toward a black hole initially orbits around it and then accumulates into a flattened disk. The gas stored in this disk gradually spirals inward and becomes greatly compressed and heated as it nears the center, ultimately reaching temperatures up to 20 million degrees Fahrenheit (12 million C), or some 2,000 times hotter than the sun's surface. It glows brightly in low-energy, or soft, X-rays.

For more than 40 years, however, observations show that black holes also produce considerable amounts of "hard" X-rays, light with energy tens to hundreds of times greater than soft X-rays. This higher-energy light implies the presence of correspondingly hotter gas, with temperatures reaching billions of degrees.

The new study involves a detailed computer simulation that simultaneously tracked the fluid, electrical and magnetic properties of the gas while also taking into account Einstein's theory of relativity. Using this data, the scientists developed tools to track how X-rays were emitted, absorbed, and scattered in and around the disk.

The study demonstrates for the first time a direct connection between magnetic turbulence in the disk, the formation of a billion-degree corona above and below the disk, and the production of hard X-rays around an actively "feeding" black hole.
 
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Always makes me smile when everyone says nothing can escape a black hole.

Then I see loads of pictures of 'gas' jets millions of miles long emanating from the 'poles' of said black holes.

Stephen Hawkins has said black holes will eventually dissipate all their mass over time....................albeit a bloody long time.

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Always makes me smile when everyone says nothing can escape a black hole.

Then I see loads of pictures of 'gas' jets millions of miles long emanating from the 'poles' of said black holes.

Stephen Hawkins has said black holes will eventually dissipate all their mass over time....................albeit a bloody long time.

Jb

The matter is escaping for the accretion disks that form around black holes when there 'feeding' on a star, its not escaping from the black hole itself. :)
These are called Quasars.
 
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No information can escape as far as I'm aware, everything like the polar jets is from matter outside of the E Horizon... The losing mass thing is to do with the production of particle/anitparticle pairs on the boundary of the E Horizon if I have been taught correctly, so nothing escapes...
 
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No information can escape as far as I'm aware, everything like the polar jets is from matter outside of the E Horizon... The losing mass thing is to do with the production of particle/anitparticle pairs on the boundary of the E Horizon if I have been taught correctly, so nothing escapes...

That's what everyone thinks.

Did you not bother reading the links?

The second one is a talk Stephen Hawkins gave in America.

This is quite widely accepted now tho its all theoretical, as is everything about black holes.
 
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Of course it's all theoretical, because we can't know yet. However nowhere in ANY of the accepted theories can ANYTHING escape from a black hole once it is inside the event horizon... That's kinda obvious seeing as even light can't escape??

I'm confused by what you're trying to say here
 
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Those links say nothing absolute about matter escaping black holes, this has not been observed as far as I'm aware.

The 2nd one says 'Hawking also described how he discovered that particles could slowly leak out of black holes and release energy' I think this is referring to his Hawking radiation theory. Its very much theoretical and relies on all sorts of weird quantum stuff like virtual partials if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Yup, one of them falls in, the other escapes and looks like radiation has been emitted, then the black hole loses the mass equivalent to the energy of the particle or something like that.
 
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That's what everyone thinks.

Did you not bother reading the links?

The second one is a talk Stephen Hawkins gave in America.

This is quite widely accepted now tho its all theoretical, as is everything about black holes.

We know very little about black holes, the law of physics breaks down at the event horizon doesn't it.
 
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Of course it's all theoretical, because we can't know yet. However nowhere in ANY of the accepted theories can ANYTHING escape from a black hole once it is inside the event horizon... That's kinda obvious seeing as even light can't escape??

I'm confused by what you're trying to say here

Wow didn't realise you knew more than professors.

I'm referring specifically to Hawking radiation.

If your confused as to what I'm saying possibly you haven't read too much on the subject at all before posting.

Jb
 
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For people not reading the whole link i'll quote the last paragraph.

Hawking said that the message from his talk is that black holes are not the eternal prisons once thought. If you feel you are in a black hole, don’t give up. There is a way out.


Jb
 
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No need to start getting sarcy, I never even said such things. :rolleyes:

I know exactly what hawking radiation is, and I did read the whole link, both of them, and they only back up the matter... That last statement means nothing, it's just a guess he was making on the grounds of something that could happen.

From all the evidence we have, nothing can escape a black hole, and the only way it loses mass is through Hawking radiation. It is probably impossible to ever know what goes on inside a black hole, and we will never know, any assumptions about what may happen will never be concrete.

I'm not confused by the subject because "I don't know about it", I'm confused by why you think people who believe in logical science are funny.
 
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