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BaZ87 said:
Wilder's saying that Fury didn't hurt him but the costume he wore for the ring walk was just so heavy it took it out of him :D

Assuming it's staged in the UK then I can't see how it would generate anything like that amount of money. I think the UK PPV record is about 1.5m, even doubling that would only raise £50-60m depending on the price. At 2-5pm in the US that's not likely to end up on PPV or earn a massive rights fee and it'll be a similar story around the rest of the world. The gate from Wembley or wherever won't be much more than £5m. In the UK, including all overseas tv rights and sponsorships, I can't see how it makes more than £100m.

Hopefully money doesn't talk in this instance because if it does then this fight happens in Vegas or the middle east. UK ppv sales won't be significantly less wherever the fight is but in the US you've got the possibility of huge PPV sales (possibly 1m+ paying close to $100), as well as the likelihood that a casino(s) will pay a big fee to host the event or in the middle east you've got the chance that an arab state pays a ridiculous amount to host the fight so that we forget about their human rights abuses.
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While I do agree with what you're saying, but would the US market be as interested in this fight when there's no American who's actually fighting? I feel as if if it was Wilder vs AJ for all the belts, and the fight was in America it would generate a lot more buys with the whole "UK vs US" dynamic, whereas as its 2 brits, im not 100% sure whether it would do as well in the US
 
Good lord, just read the link. Why do the majority of sportsmen struggle with accepting defeat graciously?

To AJ’s credit when he got beat he took it like a man went back and worked hard to correct it.
Albeit his victory speech was cringeworthy :p
 
chroniclard said:
He clearly didnt have the legs for it.........after taking several meaty fists to his face. :rolleyes:
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He wasn’t hurt either he just felt like a sit down at the exact moment a punch hit him :p

Also fury isn’t getting enough credit for that right hand he took in the first round! Where’s that dodgy chin he used to have gone :eek: I’ll say it again fair play to Fury proved me wrong and happy to admit it.
 
Praz94 said:
While I do agree with what you're saying, but would the US market be as interested in this fight when there's no American who's actually fighting? I feel as if if it was Wilder vs AJ for all the belts, and the fight was in America it would generate a lot more buys with the whole "UK vs US" dynamic, whereas as its 2 brits, im not 100% sure whether it would do as well in the US
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Of course it wouldn't do as well as Joshua/Fury vs Wilder for all the belts but in terms of what generates the most money for the Joshua - Fury fight, it's the US over the UK. If Hatton - Mayweather from years ago is anything to go by then UK PPV buys if the fight was in the US won't be much different than if it were in the UK however if the fight were in the UK then any interest in the US falls off a cliff. With the price of PPV's in the US too, it doesn't need to draw a massive audience to generate big money.

For example a UK fight maybe gets 2m ppv buys in the UK at £25 and 200k US buys at £70 = a total of £64m. The fight in the US maybe gets 1.5m UK buys at £25 and 600k buys in the US at £70 = a total of £79.5m. Then of course you have the possibility of one of the casino's stumping up a big fee to host the fight which would eclipse what you'd get from ticket sales at Wembley.
 
JunglistE said:
I agree. It's disgraceful how the WBC protected Wilder and allowed him to threaten Whyte how he wouldn't give him a chance for 2 years.



Deluded? Perhaps this card will jog your memory. Or perhaps we should revisit that night in December over the British Heavyweight title.

Is a TKO finish no longer a comprehensive finish? Sure, Whyte rocked AJ once during the 7 rounds but lets not pretend that he didn't beat Whyte.




Where is the risk vs reward for AJ? What has Whyte got to offer AJ? He has no belts, he's already lost to AJ and as you say, he is a risky fight. It's a lose-lose for AJ as he has nothing to gain from beating Whyte again. Dillian put all of his eggs in the WBC basket. He stopped paying sanctioning fees for the other belts and he is no longer in the top 15 for either the IBF, WBA or WBO. So AJ doesn't have to fight Whyte unless he feels like it for some reason. Whyte should've paid sanctioning fees for the other organisations and then he would've been able to force AJ via a mandatory and then he wouldn't have to worry about rematch terms.



And he rather chase the undisputed fight. Surely the undisputed fight is the one we all want to see? AJ has already beaten Whyte comfortably so there is no reason why he wouldn't do it again, especially if it was worthwhile. What Whyte should be doing is forcing the WBC to make Fury face the mandatory and if he gets a belt then the AJ fight gets that much bigger.

Right now you want to see Whyte face him because?..... I'd rather see AJ get rid of Pulev then fight Usyk and then a unification before he fights Whyte again.



Yeah he came back and won the immediate rematch, he made all the adjustments necessary and won the fight easily.

Imagine if people still held Fury accountable for that shady John Mcdermot win.


Or that time a small cruiserweight dropped him. I think smaller fighters like Povetkin, Hunter and Usyk give Fury problems. Maybe even Rivas cause cause a few problems. I don't think he'd lose to them but they'd make him think, much more than Wilder did for sure.
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Not the greatest comparison

Tyson Fury who was 20 years old and was his 8th pro fight. He also knocked McDermott out a couple fights later.

Vs

A 29 year old AJ who was fighting his 23rd pro fight against Ruiz
 
fatbatman said:
Not the greatest comparison

Tyson Fury who was 20 years old and was his 8th pro fight. He also knocked McDermott out a couple fights later.

Vs

A 29 year old AJ who was fighting his 23rd pro fight against Ruiz
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But don't forget Fury has been fighting his whole life, same as Ruiz, whereas AJ only started when he was 18. But Fury lost that first fight against McDermott the same way he won the first fight with Wilder. Still, no one holds that 'loss' against Fury but AJ losing to Ruiz some how proves he is a hype job.

I just can't rate Fury above AJ, not overall anyway. Sure, Fury appears to be the better technical boxer and has now shown he can fight on both the front and back foot but something tells me AJ puts it on him and gets him out of there. Of course I could see Fury doing to AJ what he did to Wladamir and make it a boring fight but I don't think AJ would be gun shy like how Wlad was. This fight just needs to happen. That would be a worthy trilogy not a trilogy with Wilder.

As always, styles make fights. And neither AJ or Fury have fought someone similar to how the other fights. Would be a very interesting match up. Certainly not as one sided as some are making out
 
JunglistE said:
But don't forget Fury has been fighting his whole life, same as Ruiz, whereas AJ only started when he was 18. But Fury lost that first fight against McDermott the same way he won the first fight with Wilder. Still, no one holds that 'loss' against Fury but AJ losing to Ruiz some how proves he is a hype job.

I just can't rate Fury above AJ, not overall anyway. Sure, Fury appears to be the better technical boxer and has now shown he can fight on both the front and back foot but something tells me AJ puts it on him and gets him out of there. Of course I could see Fury doing to AJ what he did to Wladamir and make it a boring fight but I don't think AJ would be gun shy like how Wlad was. This fight just needs to happen. That would be a worthy trilogy not a trilogy with Wilder.

As always, styles make fights. And neither AJ or Fury have fought someone similar to how the other fights. Would be a very interesting match up. Certainly not as one sided as some are making out
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Sorry but not having it haha

AJ may have started when he was 18, but he was a veteran boxer with multiple world heavyweights defences when he lost against Ruiz vs Fury fighting his 8th pro fight when he was 20.

Fury is now a complete fighter, AJ wont stand a chance.
 
fatbatman said:
Sorry but not having it haha

AJ may have started when he was 18, but he was a veteran boxer with multiple world heavyweights defences when he lost against Ruiz vs Fury fighting his 8th pro fight when he was 20.

Fury is now a complete fighter, AJ wont stand a chance.
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Im an AJ fan, but its pretty clear to me that Fury is the better fighter.

Up until the 2nd wilder fight, Fury always used to go on about how he's going to be knocking people out, but he never does. Instead always choosing to fight defensively and go for a points win, but he's actually now shown he can be aggressive and my goodness, it was a scary sight! Wilder absolutely **** himself, and honestly I'd wish Fury would fight like that more often cause its much more entertaining style
 
fatbatman said:
Sorry but not having it haha

AJ may have started when he was 18, but he was a veteran boxer with multiple world heavyweights defences when he lost against Ruiz vs Fury fighting his 8th pro fight when he was 20.

Fury is now a complete fighter, AJ wont stand a chance.
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Yes but one loss doesn't make a fighter bad. Lewis had multiple defences of his title before he lost to Oliver McCall yet he came back from his loss and is one of the greatest HW boxers to have ever done it. AJ had a terrible night. He lost but he came back and won. Fury fights nothing like Ruiz (front foot counter puncher. Fury was more of a pressure fighter on the weekend) so just because Ruiz beat AJ doesn't mean Fury has what it takes to beat AJ, triangle theories do not work.

This is why we need them to get in the ring with one another! I'm not ready to say either man is the best in the division until they fight everyone or at least a majority of the top 10. I just think AJ has the style to beat Fury but at the same time I wouldn't be shocked if Fury was to win. I just know that AJ is more of a threat to Fury than Wilder posed. I'm not going to be revisionist, I thought it would either be Wilder KO or Fury points on the weekend but Fury shown what happens when you take the one weapon away from someone that they have.

It's a really intriguing fight that needs to happen before it's too late. They're both in their prime or thereabouts so it needs to happen in 2021 at least. I still think AJ wins as long as his gas tank doesn't fail him.

Praz94 said:
Im an AJ fan, but its pretty clear to me that Fury is the better fighter.

Up until the 2nd wilder fight, Fury always used to go on about how he's going to be knocking people out, but he never does. Instead always choosing to fight defensively and go for a points win, but he's actually now shown he can be aggressive and my goodness, it was a scary sight! Wilder absolutely **** himself, and honestly I'd wish Fury would fight like that more often cause its much more entertaining style
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Yeah I am hoping Fury stays at Kronk Gym. That was the best and most exciting Fury I've ever seen. Had he always fought like that he would've gained so many more fans
 
The reason he switched gyms as above. He is now the complete fighter as a result.

AJ isn't bad by any means, but it's not logical for anyone to think he would be favourite against Fury.

I mean Ruiz is a bit of a journeyman if I'm honest, he just has veteran experience and a lot of fights against bums
 
fatbatman said:
The reason he switched gyms as above. He is now the complete fighter as a result.

AJ isn't bad by any means, but it's not logical for anyone to think he would be favourite against Fury.

I mean Ruiz is a bit of a journeyman if I'm honest, he just has veteran experience and a lot of fights against bums
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It's the heavyweight game anything can happen and I think when you have someone like AJ who hits hard, is skilled and is the same age as Fury I think he has what it takes to beat him. I'm not expecting AJ to be the favourite at the bookies but I think it's daft to think he has no chance against Fury.

People need to reel it in a bit. He did a tremendous job beating Wilder but let us not pretend that Wilder was anything more than someone who's right-hand took him to the top. For years people have been saying when Wilder actually fights an elite live body he'll get exposed and that is exactly what happened. Fury didn't walk on water. People building up a fighter like what is happening now is exactly the reason we get upsets.

Ruiz is a bit of a journey man, right place right time. And he got lucky with the punch that basically ended the fight in the 2nd or 3rd, can't remember. But it's not the first time a top tier heavyweight has lost to lesser opposition and it wont be the last. Lewis lost to Rahman who was a journey man, didn't stop LL going on to be a dominant force in the division.

Until all the top guys fight each other, we wont know who is where. Until Fury and Joshua fight, there is no number 1. Hell, until Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Whye, Parker, Hunter, Usyk and the other eastern euro I can't think of, all fight we have no idea who is #1
 
fatbatman said:
Sorry but not having it haha

AJ may have started when he was 18, but he was a veteran boxer with multiple world heavyweights defences when he lost against Ruiz vs Fury fighting his 8th pro fight when he was 20.

Fury is now a complete fighter, AJ wont stand a chance.
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Fury is not a complete fighter due to one training camp with sugar hill, it will take more than just the one training camp. All you saw was fury changing his tactics for the second wilder fight.

I too would have Fury as the favourite against Aj but anyone who thinks it’ll be an easy fight for Fury needs to calm down a little. Aj is a much better boxer than Wilder and can punch like a mule. Fury wouldn’t fight that fight against Aj he’s much smarter than that.
 
I don't like Wilder at all and was hoping Fury would win. I didn't expect it, but to be honest watching that stoppage I think if they didn't throw the towel in Fury would still be trying to knock him out days later. I didn't think he punching was that accurate and powerful. I think he caught him well but that ear and imbalance did more to end Wilder. Fury was going to win easily on points and it was a great performance, totally unexpected tactics but I couldn't imagine even dancing with the ear issue, let alone fighting.

I'm still not convinced this means Fury can punch harder, just that one good shot on the ear was pretty fortunate.

I don't want to see a third fight.
 
I've heard of some excuses in my time but the outfit he wore to the ring? The outfit he chose? That's amazing.

The two knockdowns sure seemed to hurt him, the look on his face said as much.

He was outclassed in the first fight and outclassed in the second fight. He will get outclassed in the third fight, he's simply not a good enough boxer.
 
IronSpider said:
I didn't expect it, but to be honest watching that stoppage I think if they didn't throw the towel in Fury would still be trying to knock him out days later.
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Well, he might be, but I disagree. Even if I'm wrong, Wilder would have taken an irresponsible amount of damage. He was barely there in the 6th round, let alone the 7th.

IronSpider said:
I don't want to see a third fight.
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Agreed. It'll be a horribly distorted fight, with Wilder now convinced that the only way he can win is to slug it out, and Fury being able to box around it. Same result, with more wild slinging than this time, 90 times out of 100.

Wilder is likely now relegated to fighting the loser of a championship fight, in order to be a contender for a future championship fight. He's a one trick pony, with a very good trick, but like Sex Panther, it works 60% of the time, every time.
 
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