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Junglist said:
I've watched it once. May need to watch it again but I think it was a close fight that could've went either way. I don't think it was a robbery as a lot are claiming it to be. I'd say 7-5 Haney but on another watching I could say 7-5 Loma. I don't agree with the 8-4 card at all.

So close fight where Loma dialled the clock back a bit and Haney perhaps didn't perform to as well as his advantages would've allowed him to.

But I can say with certainty that if they meet, shocking no one on here as I've said I think he's going to be the star of boxing, Shakur Stevenson boxes circles around Haney.
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Stevenson absolutely schools Haney,and Tank stops him,so I think he moves up in weight for his next fight
 
I've only watched up to the 8th so far and not seeing a robbery. Haney landed the cleaner and more showy shots, not many more but definitely more noticeable. I am usually pretty bad at scoring fights though, maybe I should become a judge :p

Also, isn't there a train of thought/philosophy that to take the belts off a champion you have to do it convincingly?
 
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Watched it all, it was very close, at worst it was a draw but I think Haney won it by 1 or 2, would have to watch it again properly to be sure.

Loma had Haney in more trouble (11th) but Haney won enough of the early rounds with the cleaner shots. Real tough one.

Loma definitely isn't past it though, what a performance against a bigger, younger guy who had the reach advantage. So Loma is the winner in that sense! Legend! Plus he got a few hip throws in there :D
 
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Yeah, I'm just not seeing where it was a robbery. Haney did a lot of bodywork throughout the fight and while Loma had him hurt in the 11th he didn't press for a knock down/out and he admitted in the post fight presser that he took the last round off as he thought he had done enough (Glad he has learnt his lesson from the Lopez fight)

There were enough swing rounds that could sway it either direction. The only score card I have an issue with was the 116-112 as it wasn't that wide but I don't see the issue with 115-113. The commentary were doing the most whenever Loma had a bit of success so i'd advise watching the fight again with the audio off and actually judging the fight round by round and not by the story of who is winning the fight.

Boxing does have robberies all too often but I think we as fans need to get out of the habit of calling close fights robberies.
 
Was the 116-112 card the one where he scored the 10th to Haney despite that being one of the clearest rounds to score in Lomas favour.

I wouldn’t call it a robbery either but general consensus seems to be a Loma victory.

” I was going to praise Haney for some of the things he did well last night, cause Haney’s surprised me. He did things better than I expected him to, but he still lost the fight. It’s clear as day he lost the fight. Everybody knows.”

“It’s almost unanimous at this point, everybody felt like he was losing the fight. But it’s boxing politics. There’s more of a future for a 24-year-old as undisputed champion than there is for a 35-year-old. And, unfortunately, the business of boxing doesn’t have any respect.”

“I think if you’re really generous you could score it a draw. I think anything more than a draw, you’re a scumbag.”
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Pauli has had it in for Haney for some time though so I'm not sure he is the most impartial person lol.

My issue with Loma is his activity. He fights in spurts. Sure he may look to be the more flashy fighter in the ring but a fair amount of what he was doing wasn't landing clean.

For me I scratched down how I saw some rounds on my 2nd viewing. May watch a 3rd time but this is how I see it...
  1. Haney
  2. SWING - Haney
  3. Haney
  4. Haney
  5. SWING - Haney
  6. Haney
  7. Loma
  8. Loma
  9. Loma
  10. SWING - Loma
  11. Loma
  12. Haney
For me on my 2nd viewing I saw 3 rounds that could be swung either way depending what you as a viewer prefer. I'll watch it again before the Lara vs Woods fight on the weekend and judge again.

Had Loma not been too confident and actually pushed the action in the last round he could've won. He'll be kicking himself as he only has himself to blame.
 
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C'mon now. I know at one point a fair few of you in this thread was talking about Fury like he is defacto #1 and deserves a place in the conversation of the ATG Heavweights. I can't be bothered to trawl through the thread to find the posters who like him but I want to hear from you....

How do you defend this clown? In talks to fight world ranked #58 whilst running away from most of his contemporaries. Right now he is building his case to be one of the worst reigning heavyweight champions.

of course this makes me happy and fills me with glee as I've been calling him out for years in this thread but I want to know if he actually has any fans left.
 
You had 10 as a swing round? That was quite a clear one for Loma. It’s not just Pauli quite a number of ex boxers have said similar.

Rd 10: Loma 10-9. By far his best round of the fight. Unloaded inside combo, turned Haney. 6-4 Haney. Dan Rafeal.
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If Nevada Commission doesn’t call Moretti in and make him explain giving 10th to Haney, then we should start petition to disband them. Teddy Atlas.
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“I respect the fact that there were A LOT of close rounds in this fight and agree w/ Andre Ward that it wasn’t a robbery. But Dave Moretti can take that “Rd. 10 Haney” score and ride off into the sunset.”
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It may have been 9 I was thinking of. Though I thought Loma's 11th round was his best

edit: I done goofed. 10 was the round where Loma had that nice flurry and landed about 20-30 punches. Most certainly not a swing round but I still preferred 11 for him
 
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Loma shouldn't have took the 12th round off. Had he not admitted and done that he would've likely put up a better argument for winning.

This is not a robbery like SRL vs Hagler, more recently GGG vs Canelo 1 or domestically Smith vs Ryder/Taylor vs Catterall.
 
Junglist said:
Loma shouldn't have took the 12th round off. Had he not admitted and done that he would've likely put up a better argument for winning.

This is not a robbery like SRL vs Hagler, more recently GGG vs Canelo 1 or domestically Smith vs Ryder/Taylor vs Catterall.
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I agree, even in the 11th when he had Haney hurt again, I feel he could’ve stopped him if he pushed it. For someone who was a strong favourite, being the younger, bigger, faster guy he was outworked, out fought, and out landed. He couldn’t hurt the smaller older guy, despite landing many clean body shots it was Haney that actually started to gas in the later rounds.

I don’t see many calling a robbery just more people siding with Loma than Haney.
 
Oh ffs, now the Smith v Eubank match is postponed again. Savannah Marshall now the main event.

Waste of time that rematch, first fight too decisive to warrant one anyway.
 
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robfosters said:
Oh ffs, now the Smith v Eubank match is postponed again. Savannah Marshall now the main event.

Waste of time that rematch, first fight too decisive to warrant one anyway.
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I really want that rematch myself. Jr was capable of defending that attack i feel but did not pay it due respect and care.
 
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