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Fair point. Although when the other boxer doesn't complain, and it's not exactly a high level of boxing then I don't think it's too bad.
Surprised to see you like someone who lacks class. There's confidence and then there's being rude/a tool. No sportsmanship either, you don't go straight to the other corner. He's a man-baby/child.
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I could understand if it was an act but he comes across as tool in real life too, same as Naseem. It's not a boxer who's cocky, it's a cocky guy who can box.
Had Cameron been throwing anything back then I might agree but he wasn't. A ref can't just stand there allowing a fighter to take shot after shot without offering anything back.
I don’t see it as lacking class. One of my favourite fighters is Prince Naz and he was exactly the same.
He dealt with Liam and they were cool after the bell. He can’t exactly punch up Liam’s corner who were also taking crap.
Remember, he’s just been in a fight. Adrenaline is pumping and he just stopped ‘their’ guy.
He shown Liam a lot of respect one it was done. That’s all that matters.
I was a fan as soon as I saw he was fuming with only getting silver at the olympics. I love that mentality.
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Exactly my thoughts, a standing 8 count and then decide whether to call him off.
A standing eight count, also known as a protection count, is a boxing judgement call made by a referee during a bout in order to give an overwhelmed fighter an eight-second respite. When it is invoked, the referee stops the action and counts to eight while observing the boxer it is called against. When the count reaches eight, the referee often moves back two steps and instructs the boxer to walk towards him and hold his arms out. This helps the referee determine if the boxer is functioning and alert enough to continue
I think we have different definitions of what class is.
Then again, there is no obligation for a boxer to have class. Like I said, a cocky guy who can box. In my experience cocky people tend not to be nice people. Naz spent time in prison, for example. Mayweather domestic abuse.
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Boxxxer always have soft stoppages. It's almost as if people are pulling the strings.
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I don't even think the result changes much, this is what should have happened the first time with how big everybody is building this guy up to be. Questions will still be asked of him until we see how he fares if he starts getting towards the top, something that his almost heel approach to things now doesn't help.
Being that arrogant/cocky type of fighter sells, but you kind of lose the ability to garner sympathy from people if you act the prat and get caught out.
He dealt with this rematch the best way he could inside the ring (emotional outburst to the other corner aside), but it doesn't erase any of the warning signs yet.
Being that arrogant/cocky type of fighter sells, but you kind of lose the ability to garner sympathy from people if you act the prat and get caught out.
He dealt with this rematch the best way he could inside the ring (emotional outburst to the other corner aside), but it doesn't erase any of the warning signs yet.
Mate, I pay attention to them for what they do in the ring, not out of it. I’m not going to go for a drink with any of them so what they do in the personal life doesn’t change how I view what they do in the ring.
For what it’s worth with Ben. He seems like a cool enough guy in the interviews I’ve seen do him. Just someone who believes in themself. Again, not someone I’m desperate to be friends with but I don’t need to like *him* personally.
I haven’t yet not been entertained when watching him so he’s in my good books. How far he’ll go? No idea. But I do like what he brings.
I know the British way is to support a humble winner and underdog but I find that shtick really, really played out. Sometimes I just want someone to be honest and say what they think inside with their chest. In a sport we watch two men batter each other it seems odd people don’t want to take the ego that goes with it. All of them at the top are the same it’s just some have clocked on to saying the right thing to make fans like them.
There’s a lot of bad to be said about Americans at the moment but I do like how brash they are at times. Yeah, sometimes they’ll say something stupid like they walk the earth like a god but at least it’s entertaining.
We have to keep in mind that some fighters have had very hard stoppages... The primary obligation is to keep fighters safe and call an end to any unnecessary punishment. Once a fight moves from being competitive to one fighter having significant/prolonged/multiple advantages the situation can go south quickly.
Fighter safety aside, match making in boxing is topical, but also very necessary. Sometimes promoters take a risk or just get it wrong by under/overestimating opponents.
Do you apply the same logic to Fury?
Yes. It’s no secret I don’t like Fury the man, I’ve always said he was a good boxer but I also acknowledge he is a drug cheat who tried to hide behind mental illness to dupe the fans.
You’re not going to find many criticisms from me against Fury (other than him being a liar) outside the sphere of boxing.
Well, I certainly hope your boy Qwittaker gets to eat humble pie one day
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He's not my boy so if he loses, he loses. It's sport. Not going to ruin my day :Well, I certainly hope your boy Qwittaker gets to eat humble pie one day
Just find people getting offended by someone being confident/cocky or whatever in a sport where self belief is probably the most important thing a bit baffling.
Humble fighters at the pointy end are going to be an exceptionally rare breed. I appreciate not everyone likes someone to be confident, especially here in the UK, but the hate he gets for believing in himself is OTT.
Confidence is not the same as cockyness though.He's not my boy so if he loses, he loses. It's sport. Not going to ruin my day :
Just find people getting offended by someone being confident/cocky or whatever in a sport where self belief is probably the most important thing a bit baffling.
Humble fighters at the pointy end are going to be an exceptionally rare breed. I appreciate not everyone likes someone to be confident, especially here in the UK, but the hate he gets for believing in himself is OTT.
I'm not sure who is offended by him either. Simply called a tool a tool is not taking offence.
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People are always whining if he showboats as if he is the first fighter to do it. There is nothing wrong with being cocky as long as you're able to back it up. If you don't then you look like a tit. But that'll be on him and him alone.
It seems like people just pick and choose when something is OK or not. Again, due to my hate-boner for Fury I didn't see people rag on him for showboating agaisnt Wilder or Usyk?! It's part of the game and it's part of the game I love because all of my favourites have done it at one point or another. It's entertaining when they pull it off and it's hilarious when they try and get popped in the face. It's win-win to the viewer.
Boxing is entertainment. Ben is entertaining and he is getting eyes and attention on him. It's like Mayweather (NOT SKILL WISE) in that people either loved to watch him fight or they were desperate to see him lose. Doesn't matter either way, they're still putting money in his pocket one way or another and that is what prize fighting is all about.
Personally I've always found the humble act some boxers do really boring and just an act.
Have people just willingly forgotten just how cocky and egregious Muhammad Ali's behaviour was back when he was active? People loathed him for the very same reasons they're firing at Ben and it's not like Ali was an all time great from the get go. That was his personality just as this is Bens. Ben may turn out to become a fantastic champion or a complete dud but I don't think his cocky attitude is a reason for people to take such umbrage with him.
Though perhaps you don't like fighters like Ali, Prince Naz, Roy Jones Jr or Pernell Whittaker as they were all the same.
Those fighters were genuinely world class champions.
Ali did sound like a bit of tool too, and quite a few fighters commented on it - how maybe his bad attitude is what made him end up the way he did.
Another person you missed off is AJ, he was Mr Media Personality until the wheels fell off.
Anyway, I can see us going round in circles here. I think it's fine to rate someone's boxing ability but still think they're a ****. Like in any job, you can be good at your job but if you're a **** then you're a **** regardless. And if you show that in a public place then you should expect/accept people calling you out for it. Rightly or wrongly, kids look up to people.
Conor McGregor is another one. A once great fighter, not so nice guy.
I'm happy to leave it at that.
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Eventually. Those guys were eventually great world champions. The didn’t walk into the sport as great champions but they left it that way.. maybe let’s see how Ben’s career plays out this was his 9/10th fight. He’s got an entire career to define him left to do.
Anyone who believed AJ’s ‘stay humble’ shtick is on them. AJ clearly always had an ego and that was easy to see when he was in the ring.
The only thing I’ve think Ben has done which was bang out of order was knocking that fans phone out of their hand. That was unacceptable and he deserved to get dragged over the coals for that. For mouthing off at the opposing trainer, who himself has said he’s a good guy, is not worth the vitriol he is getting online
Happy to agree to disagree