*** The Official E3 2013 Thread ***

[wannabedamned]

Just researched this, GDDR5 is a faster version of DD3, it probably has double the bandwidth and latency is actually the same. Xbox has a much larger on die cache than PS4, but it's smaller than I thought. The PS4 is more capable than the Xbox.

I saw something a few weeks back saying that GDDR5 will be a benefit to graphics but DDR3 will benefit the CPU.

Something to do with DDR3 moving chunks faster, but smaller. And DDR5 moving larger chunks slower.

Not sure how that translates to the different architectures. But there is a benefit to the DDR3.

 

[kitch9]

Just researched this, GDDR5 is a faster version of DD3, it probably has double the bandwidth and latency is actually the same. Xbox has a much larger on die cache than PS4, but it's smaller than I thought. The PS4 is more capable than the Xbox.

Yeah I think 2133mhz ddr3 may have slightly lower latency response times but the difference is negligable.

The Xbox cache is nothing more than a bandaid and the memory setup of the PS4 will be considered much more preferable to devs.

 

[Suarez7]

I saw something a few weeks back saying that GDDR5 will be a benefit to graphics but DDR3 will benefit the CPU.

Something to do with DDR3 moving chunks faster, but smaller. And DDR5 moving larger chunks slower.

Not sure how that translates to the different architectures. But there is a benefit to the DDR3.

Timings and latency increase, the memory won't actually have that much to do with why the PS4 is quicker.

 

[kitch9]

I saw something a few weeks back saying that GDDR5 will be a benefit to graphics but DDR3 will benefit the CPU.

Something to do with DDR3 moving chunks faster, but smaller. And DDR5 moving larger chunks slower.

Not sure how that translates to the different architectures. But there is a benefit to the DDR3.

There's a common misconception that gddr5 is high latency due to the response times on high end video cards.

It isn't, it's just video card memory controllers are high latency as they don't need to be quick due to the workload. How Sony have designed their memory controllers remains to be seen but the system looks well balanced so I can't imagine there's any problems, only time will tell.

CPU's haven't been latency or bandwidth starved since ddr1 really.

 

[m4rk84]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4/5

For anyone wanting to read up about the differences between the consoles in more detail check the AnandTech comparison and write up.

Differences in the memory subsytems also gives us some insight into each approach to the next-gen consoles. Microsoft opted for embedded SRAM + DDR3, while Sony went for a very fast GDDR5 memory interface. Sony’s approach (especially when combined with a beefier GPU) is exactly what you’d build if you wanted to give game developers the fastest hardware.

 

[CliffyBiro]

Well I waited this long to see their reactions. I guess it's time to finally add Shamikebab, pioneer and co. to the ignore list.

 

[kitch9]

I love how you think I'm not referring to you

I think you've figured out by now Sonys getting my money this gen, and I think you know why.

 

[Omaeka]

Well this went to hell fast...

 

[LateX'Dog]

20 exclusive games

40 exclusive content for games

For PS4.

Sony wont impose DRM, but if a publisher wants to, they can.

 

[Dannyb01y]

Ugh!! The next gen consoles aren't out yet and I'm already just about done hearing the mindless arguments and bickering back and forth about them!

I haven't even decided which one will get my money first yet. I know the futures black and its rectangular shaped at least...

 

[TriedandTested]

Just a thought. Do you think part of the deal of Sony licensing blu-ray to Microsoft has lead to the mess MS has found themselves in in terms of having to install all games from disk, online authentication, used games etc. You know... "yes, you can have a blu-ray in your new system but we insist on the following conditions being met...".

Would Sony have been able to demand certain things that push MS in to a corner? I mean, they had to use blu-ray in this new console didn't they?

 

[ONESHOTKILL]

I am getting Xbox probably first then prob pick up a ps4 when price comes down and a wiiu sometime next year

 

[LateX'Dog]

Just a thought. Do you think part of the deal of Sony licensing blu-ray to Microsoft has lead to the mess MS has found themselves in in terms of having to install all games from disk, online authentication, used games etc. You know... "yes, you can have a blu-ray in your new system but we insist on the following conditions being met...".

Would Sony have been able to demand certain things that push MS in to a corner? I mean, they had to use blu-ray in this new console didn't they?

That is a very good point.....hmmm

 

[Omaeka]

What's this Belator? Can't say I've ever seen this advertised before.

 

[ic1male]

Sony wont impose DRM, but if a publisher wants to, they can.

The important thing I noticed was that he said Sony wouldn't implement DRM at the system level. If a publisher wants DRM it will have to be via some mechanism of their own.

 

[m4rk84]

Just a thought. Do you think part of the deal of Sony licensing blu-ray to Microsoft has lead to the mess MS has found themselves in in terms of having to install all games from disk, online authentication, used games etc. You know... "yes, you can have a blu-ray in your new system but we insist on the following conditions being met...".

Would Sony have been able to demand certain things that push MS in to a corner? I mean, they had to use blu-ray in this new console didn't they?

No chance of that. Sony would be investigated for anti-competitive strategy. Plus Microsoft wouldn't be pushed around by Sony like that.

Sony would have licensed Blu-Ray technology to Microsoft for a standard fee that any other company would pay, with the same restrictions as anyone else.

 

[Craterloads]

There's a schedule somewhere I'll try and link them.

Edit: Here is todays:

Timeline of Events:
KillZone: Shadow Fall — 12:00pm

Super Time Force — 12:20pm

Skylanders SWAP force — 12:40pm

Unannounced Title 1 — 12:40pm

Unannounced Title 2 — 1:00pm

Knack — 1:20pm

Deus Ex — 1:20pm

Watch Dogs — 1:40pm

Need for Speed: Rivals — 2:00pm

The Bureau: XCOM Declassified — 2:00pm

Drive Club — 2:20pm

Assassins Creed — 2:40pm

GameCrib: Team SoloMid — 2:40pm

Unannounced Title 3 — 3:00pm

Thief — 3:20pm

Warframe — 3:20pm

Beyond: Two Souls — 3:40pm

Mystery Game 1 — 4:00pm

Disney Infinity — 4:00pm

Destiny — 4:20pm

Call of Duty: Ghosts — 4:40pm

LocoCycle — 5:00pm

Unannounced Title 4 — 5:20pm

Battlefield 4 — 5:20pm

BandFuse: Rock Legends — 5:40pm

Cheers, so killzone is UK 7PM?

 

[msmalls74]

Just a thought. Do you think part of the deal of Sony licensing blu-ray to Microsoft has lead to the mess MS has found themselves in in terms of having to install all games from disk, online authentication, used games etc. You know... "yes, you can have a blu-ray in your new system but we insist on the following conditions being met...".

Would Sony have been able to demand certain things that push MS in to a corner? I mean, they had to use blu-ray in this new console didn't they?

From the "insiders" this DRM business was MS idea only, not anything to do with the publishers. Not sure why MS would want it though, unless the shop who can "unlock" MS games have to pay a hefty fee/price for the ability to do so.

 

[Omaeka]

Just a thought. Do you think part of the deal of Sony licensing blu-ray to Microsoft has lead to the mess MS has found themselves in in terms of having to install all games from disk, online authentication, used games etc. You know... "yes, you can have a blu-ray in your new system but we insist on the following conditions being met...".

Would Sony have been able to demand certain things that push MS in to a corner? I mean, they had to use blu-ray in this new console didn't they?

C'mon, don't think like a fanboy dude.

 

[kitch9]

Just a thought. Do you think part of the deal of Sony licensing blu-ray to Microsoft has lead to the mess MS has found themselves in in terms of having to install all games from disk, online authentication, used games etc. You know... "yes, you can have a blu-ray in your new system but we insist on the following conditions being met...".

Would Sony have been able to demand certain things that push MS in to a corner? I mean, they had to use blu-ray in this new console didn't they?

Sony doesnt have that clout. Sony are a small part of a consortium.