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peterattheboro said:
Had Holly to win by KO/TKO in round 1 :(

£5 returned nearly £300 :mad:
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I rarely bet on UFC but put £10 on Holly. Then last night had a dream she finished Ronda with elbows in round 2 and woke up tempted to put more money on her. Wish I had.

I also don't think Dana will be mad, will be a huge rematch at UFC 200 headlined by the winner (or rematch) of McGregor/Aldo.
 

Nice video for people that think Ronda wanted to stand with Holm, she didn't she just couldn't do what she normally does to get it to the ground.

Charge someone swinging get punched a few times get clinch and take them down.

Holms had the gameplan to negate that and this breakdown shows some of the subtle things she did to stop Rondas game, they clearly drilled this stuff non stop and team Jackson are so good at making gameplans around opponents weaknesses.
 
Hat's off to Holm for my money! As mentioned above, she had a game plan and carried out to a tee!

Going into this fight I thought there was no way Holm could catch Rousey with her striking because she was too quick but after the first few shots Rousey just started chasing her and ran into more trouble!

After round one Rousey's corner should have been telling her to be more patient and let Holm come to her and counterstrike and/or use her Judo - but they didn't! :confused:

I think Rousey's ego got the best of her and she thought she would automatically be good enough to take shots/evade, take her down and get a submission - not so easy when you are getting hammered!

It will be nice to see some other title fights - much as Rousey has earned an immediate rematch with her record to date, I think she'd be far better off taking some time and working on the problems with her standup!
 
I've never rated Rousey. Sure, she looked mighty impressive in the past but she wasn't fighting anyone of any calibre whatsoever (comparatively). She was the best of a bad bunch.

Holm has good standup and came in with a solid gameplan and she completely dominated Rousey.

I was really bothered by Rouseys arrogance in recent years otherwise I wouldn't have been annoyed with the lack of ability.
 
Rousey was a good fighter in what appeared to be a bunch of absolutely crap opponents. Did people genuinely think she was amazing in the grand scheme of things?

All the women she beat seem to be loving the fact that she has finally been toppled as well. Does she rub people up the wrong way or are they just a bunch of bitters?
 
fez said:
Rousey was a good fighter in what appeared to be a bunch of absolutely crap opponents. Did people genuinely think she was amazing in the grand scheme of things?

All the women she beat seem to be loving the fact that she has finally been toppled as well. Does she rub people up the wrong way or are they just a bunch of bitters?
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Rousey took on and beat every person put in front of her until Holm - convincingly!

Yes people thought she was amazing - simply because every available bit of information suggested she was!

It's not as if she was ever going to be pitted against a man so there would be no logic in comparing her to her male counterparts - against other women she was in a class of her own! (until now of course!)

Having said that, my impression of her changed dramatically when she did The Ultimate Fighter - came across as a very bitter and difficult person imo!
 
I_M_Weasel said:
I wonder why ronda didn't play to her strengths, keep out of the stand up and fight on the mat. Maybe she believed her own hype of being a great striker.

Her corner really needed a strategy change after that first round but she just blundered forward eating shot after shot. She didn't look like winning from the very start.

Will she recover from this, or will the loss of confidence finish her?
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Ronda isn't actually a very good wrestler, and is a novice striker at best (you could probably describe her as more of a brawler). She relies heavily on clinching with her opponent and then performing a judo throw on them to get them to the mat, which is different to any wrestling takedown.

Holly just kept her distance and picked her apart with strikes. Holly was also strong enough to get away on the rare occasions where Ronda did manage to get hold of her. Most of Ronda's earlier opponents played to her strengths by either rushing in or clinching/grappling with her.
 
grimm said:
Ronda isn't actually a very good wrestler, and is a novice striker at best (you could probably describe her as more of a brawler). She relies heavily on clinching with her opponent and then performing a judo throw on them to get them to the mat, which is different to any wrestling takedown.

Holly just kept her distance and picked her apart with strikes. Holly was also strong enough to get away on the rare occasions where Ronda did manage to get hold of her. Most of Ronda's earlier opponents played to her strengths by either rushing in or clinching/grappling with her.
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I think most of Rousey's opponents were capable of beating her if they came in with some sort of game plan. I honestly can't imagine what their camps consisted of.
 
ShortWarning said:
I think most of Rousey's opponents were capable of beating her if they came in with some sort of game plan. I honestly can't imagine what their camps consisted of.
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Even Tate had some joy with her striking early in their second fight and then inexplicably decided to go to the ground!?!? :confused:
 
Never really been into UFC. But found myself intrigued over this Rousey / Holms fight.

As mentioned above, you could tell after 90secs that Rousey was in trouble. I hope Holms gets the credit she deserves and takes all the limelight away from Rousey, who looked a little dumpy to me TBH. Whereas Holms looked like a lean clean fighting machine, who could switch to an attractive cute blonde at the hands of a wardrobe. So don't worry UFC fans, they've not killed the goose that lays the golden egg, they'll just give it to a different chick !
 
TurnipHead said:
Not sure why people are saying its a bigger upset than Serra/GSP. Even Silva/Weidman was a bigger upset than this.
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It was a huge upset in terms of the odds and previous results - you need to be mindful of the fact that Weidman was the no. 1 contender whereas Holm was ranked at 7 or 8 in the bantamweight division going into this fight!

I think it's up there with GSP/Serra but you have to temper that with the knowledge that the division as a whole is exceptionally limited with it being fairly new!
 
I expected Rousey to win, but I don't see it as that big of an upset. 10/1 was absolutely ridiculous as far as odds go, I can't believe I didn't put at least a little bit of money on, whenever the odds are that long on a two horse race it's a bet all day long.

Rhonas standup has always looked, for want of a better word, amateurish. Holm on the other hand is a multiple time world champion boxer, and has experience in kick boxing. Doesn't take much to think that Holm stood a good chance if the fight stayed standing. I just didn't think that it would.

GSP Vs Serra is definitely the biggest shock ever for me. GSP was better in every facet of the game, that was literally a one in a thousand punch that landed. Punchers chance personified.
 
I definitely thought it was an upset but as early as 30 seconds into the fight I could see Rousey was in trouble. I don't want to take anything away from Holm, who fought a perfect fight, but I thought her job was made easier by Rousey's ego. It seems like Rousey liked to beat people at their own game, like when she beat Correria standing up, but it was obvious that Holm is a fair more accomplished striker. At that point, Rousey should've done everything she could to take the fight to the ground.

At the end of the day, Rousey is a world class judoka who has learned to become a decent stand up fighter. She was up against a world class striker who had solid takedown defence. Her best chance was to take the fight to the ground and go for the submission. The fact she didn't seem to try to change her tactics speaks volumes about the quality of her game plan, as well as the poor advice she got between rounds.
 
I'm looking forward to Joe Rogan's thoughts on her loss, he was always spouting how she was one of the greatest ever and you could tell he thought she wouldn't be beaten anytime soon.

After that performance she's going to struggle to come back unless she has her fights picked heavily in her favour and never faces world class strikers again who will spend a lot of camp focusing on defending her takedown.

What's crazy is Holm's age as well. Even if Ronda focused on striking for a year she's not going to be close to Holm's level still and how much more Judo can she learn? That's her mastery.
 
I just rewatched the match. First round was almost even and I would give, Ronda the the edge right until the first take down at 2:40. After they get up, look at, Ronda, I would call that an adrenaline dump realizing this is going to actually be a fight and after that she got picked apart by a way way wayyyyyyyyyyy better boxer. The combo's and striking technique displayed by, Holly after that take town was something else.

On the first watch I thought she threw that punch on the bell, but nah it was after. Shame. Not touching gloves I understand seeing what, Holly did during the weigh in.
 
Davey_Pitch said:
I definitely thought it was an upset but as early as 30 seconds into the fight I could see Rousey was in trouble. I don't want to take anything away from Holm, who fought a perfect fight, but I thought her job was made easier by Rousey's ego. It seems like Rousey liked to beat people at their own game, like when she beat Correria standing up, but it was obvious that Holm is a fair more accomplished striker. At that point, Rousey should've done everything she could to take the fight to the ground.

At the end of the day, Rousey is a world class judoka who has learned to become a decent stand up fighter. She was up against a world class striker who had solid takedown defence. Her best chance was to take the fight to the ground and go for the submission. The fact she didn't seem to try to change her tactics speaks volumes about the quality of her game plan, as well as the poor advice she got between rounds.
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Agree 100% - especially the ego and game plan parts!

This might make her a better fighter in the long run as she can work on her stand up as well as focusing on what she does better than anyone else in order to win fights.

However, given that she apparently has injury issues going way back and the fact that she's currently a global phenomenon media-wise, I wouldn't be surprised to see her retire and concentrate on movies etc!
 
StevieP said:
Agree 100% - especially the ego and game plan parts!

This might make her a better fighter in the long run as she can work on her stand up as well as focusing on what she does better than anyone else in order to win fights.

However, given that she apparently has injury issues going way back and the fact that she's currently a global phenomenon media-wise, I wouldn't be surprised to see her retire and concentrate on movies etc!
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I think she'll come back. She built such a name for herself that I don't think she could allow herself to go out like that. Did she underestimate Holm? Did she overestimate herself? Did she allow her media commitments to distract her? If she can answer yes to any of the above I think she'll come back to try to get the belt back, even if it's just to retire straight afterwards.

The problem she faces, as mentioned above, is that Holm is simply a far superior striker who will focus solely on takedown defence and ground transitions in the run up to any re-match. No matter how much training she does, Rousey will never be a better striker than Holm - she doesn't have the time, and the reach advantage will always count for something. Having Greg Jackson in her corner will always be on Holm's side as well, he's simply a great coach.

If I was Rousey's coach I'd be advising her to work a lot on her head movement to allow her to get closer without getting her face jabbed off. If she can get to clinch range then her superior grapple and judo skills *should* allow her to get Holm down and in a position where she can either ground and pound, or go for something like an armbar.

Whether she wins a rematch or not (or even has one), I think having a new champion will be good for the sport. Having Rousey as such a dominant champion, with her looks and global appeal, has helped elevate women's MMA to a previously unheard of level, but now it's not a bad time to actually pay attention to more talent than just her.
 
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