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robfosters said:
The snare and hats sound a bit better, but the bass drum still sounds devoid of any oomph and gets lost in the mix. What mic are you using for the bass drum?

Actually, I only listened to the first one. The second one sounds a lot better.
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yeah agree the easy test 1 sounds wooly...

I've stripped the second one back - easy test 2

easy test 2 is just 1 x PZM nothing else. The bass drum is lost but nothing is miking it.... I'm starting from scratch.

I'll record it again this time with just 1 x PZM and the Bass drum mic...

Thanks for the feedback..I'll get there with a decent drum sound we all like :D
 
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Think I need to upgrade the Overheads...The PZM's have been with me for years and wanted to try them before I make a decision. They are good but lack depth. I have I need to invest in some decent Overheads.



2 x PZM on the ceiling (overheads)

1 x SM57 snare

1x SM57 Tom

1x SM57 Floor Tom

1x Shure Beta 52A Kick Drum Mic



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These mics are fed into a Roland Octa Capture audio interface and recording in Pro Tools 12.5



I have been looking at either the 2 x Rode NT5 Stereo Pair £229, 2 X Audio-Technica 20 Series AT2035 £270 and 2 x Audio-Technica ATM 450 £320
 
SexyGreyFox said:
The thing is you can have the best mic's in the world but you need to start from the basics which is getting somebody in who knows how to tune a kit.
You need that kit sounding awesome before you put mic's on it.
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Iv'e contacted a music store that do home visits...Hopefully they will be able to tune my kit.

I'll update once I hear anything.:)
 
banja said:
I bought a pair of Line Audio CM3 mics as a pair of all rounder mics (they're pretty flat in response) Used them as overheads for a session and got great results. They're very well respected in the orchestral recording community.

I preferred your first drum example. Gate the kick maybe, not too aggressive, just to tighten it up. Cut some low mids, about 300hz, then add some 3-5k to taste to give a bit of definition. Also, don't cut all the top end out of the kick drum - some people think because it's a low end instrument they should cut all that nice airy space out.
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I have been looking at the Oktava MK-012-01 Seem to get really great reviews and offer a lot of mic and options for the money...

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1994_articles/jul94/oktavamk012.html

http://www.thomann.de/gb/oktava_mk_01201_mkiimatched_pair.htm

They sound great in this video

 
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banja said:
You'd have to buy the Oktava's at the same time to get a matched pair, I wouldn't trust buying them separately. Whereas the CM3s, although not sold as matched, are handmade by one chap to very strict tolerances.
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They come as a matched pair mate see link. You posted it all the way to America ?

As for the CM3 where did you buy them ?
 
Lowe said:
Easyrider - where's your mic list for the drums again? I'll give you some suggested positions. :) On a side note, I have a pair of those Oktavas, and use them for snare and hats.
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Interesting video mate cheers for posting.

http://www.shure.co.uk/products/drum_microphone_sets/dmk57-52

I got it new for £325 and figure having a few Sm57's around would be useful for amps aswell etc...

I'm going to order the Oktava this weekend.

Listen to the acoustic guitar on this...A-B spaced pair 4 mins 50sec

 
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robfosters said:
No, they're deep house. I'm more of an uplifting trance man. Plenty of soaring leads, filter sweeps, epic pads, that sort of thing.

Talking about drums, Armin Van Buuren once said it could take him 2 days to get the perfect kick drum for a song. :eek: He must be ultra fussy.
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Lowe has suggested mics and curtains and allsorts...I have just re-read this thread...

I'm so anal! lol

Its taken me 3 months to decide what Overhead mics to get :eek::o
 
I don't know what was going on with the Beatles and the drum sound.

Its gash across every record...

Was there trouble with mic drums in the 1960's or what?

The drums recordings on cream records are crap as well...

Small faces...loads...
 
The Beatles bounced tracks... 3 tracks to the 4th sometimes adding the 4th track at the same time live...

Meaning 4 track rhythm section on just one track...Leaving 3 free for further instrumentation.

Still doesn't mean the drum sound has to be pants though...

This is one PZM mic on my Kit and my name aint Geoff Emerick :p
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Like I said above, a well setup and tuned drum kit with the correct heads etc can still sound amazing with just one mic in the room.
I used to engineer in both studios & live and the amount of times a drummer would ask for that deep bass in your chest sound but I'd have to explain that you need to start from the bass drum. Some thought I could even change tin can cymbals into Jon Bonham crashes - you need a starting point.
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So Ringos kit and Gingers were pap?

Cause they sound rubbish on the records...
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Oh my word - I'm doing Drive My Car with my new soft band and the mix on the original is horrible.
Drums in the left side and vocals in the right side.
However, it worked at the time.
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It's been my frustration since I was 15 ... :(

Although in The Beatles case I did enjoy all the albums again listening full pan right then full pan left
 
Lowe said:
Easyrider - did you get the Sontronics STC's in the end as well?
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No mate.. Been playing with the Shure Kit set and 2 x PZMs....The PZM's were ok but I don't think I have the best room for them...

Considering this set...Seems amazing both in value and sound quality judging by reviews...

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Oktava MK-012-20 MSP8

http://www.oktava-shop.com/category-5/Oktava-MK-012-20-MSP8.html

Comes in at £572 and offers 4 mics in one... Should offer me some more options when recording more than just drums.

MK-012 small diaphragm - cardioid, hyper cardioid, Omni-directional; MK-102 large diaphragm - cardioid

I've made some changes to my drum setup. I'll post some pics later tonight when I have finished...
 
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I've been busy :)

I moved the kit in the Vee of the corner and applied more Bass trapping floor to ceiling at the back along with some more acoustic panels...

Moved the heater and setup my Vox amps for stereo recording...

Created a Acoustic cloud ...Built it myself :) Should prevent ceiling reflections when my Overheads arrive.

Feedback welcome:-)


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After

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The first pic shows an obvious imbalance with the side wall and no wall the other side so I moved the kit to get balance around it. I also removed the the Bass front skin to allow better positioning of the Kick drum mike and easier experimentation.

Big 10cm thick slab of acoustic foam covered with Acoustic transparent material.

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Lt_Red said:
Thanks, it suits my purposes.

I really like some of the soundproofing work easyrider has done, where did you get the zig-zag stuff you have mounted on your walls?

The log cabin has pretty good acoustics but I may get some of that stuff because it just looks cool as hell :)
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Got the tiles from http://www.acoustic-foam.co.uk/

Ordered through amazon for prime delivery

29 quid for 24 tiles...

:)
 
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