Caporegime
I'm sure you can copy/paste on iPhone (clipboard) ?
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Caporegime
You can copy paste, but you don’t have access to a clipboard so cannot see previous copied items.
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Can somebody explain why iPhones hold their value? Is it because of the exclusivity? But everyone has an iPhone, I don't get it.
Because they have a reputation for longevity and support, e.g. not being abandoned by their manufacturer after the first year of release. They are also very fast, even an older iPhone smashes many new mid range Android phones on performance.
Yes we know certain android phones are getting better at support but it’s not got the reputation for it.
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Soldato
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It’s probably helped by a form of exclusivity as well in that they only release two phones a year 15 and a 15 pro (max is basically the same) and before that it was only 1.
So they’re only flooding the market with the best phones and you know where you stand straight away.
So they’re only flooding the market with the best phones and you know where you stand straight away.
Caporegime
Because there are no competitors also making iOS phones. Apple controls the pricing heavily. So without big discounts or iOS phones competing on price, value stays strong.
Soldato
All very good points made above which I wholeheartedly agree with. In terms of longevity the iPhones are definitely in the lead and no more so than with their own software updates. iOS 17 is compatible as far back as the X which I make to be a 6-7 year old device - there are no Android devices (that I'm aware of) released in 2017 that can officially support the latest OS.
The other aspect of longevity is just how the iPhones stand up to the test of time (in a software sense). As the designated tech support boffin for, what seems like, my entire extended family there's nothing more frustrating than trying to straighten out someone's 2-3 year old Android phone. Those things are just laggy and horrible. Yes this will be dependent on the user but for the most part Android handsets are just like wading through treacle after a certain amount of time - my dad has had 3 new phones in the 6 years (a biennial Christmas present) and every time the outgoing handset is just about ready for bin. In that time my mum has been plodding along on an iPhone X which is still running as smooth as the day she got it.
Then there's just the market fragmentation of all those Android handsets. In my peak I could have gone through 2-3 phones in a year because every manufacturer has a different release cycle (as is their want of course). But for people who were, or still are, habitual "upgraders" all those used phones have to go somewhere. Apple release one phone a year (in different specs) and that's it.
The other aspect of longevity is just how the iPhones stand up to the test of time (in a software sense). As the designated tech support boffin for, what seems like, my entire extended family there's nothing more frustrating than trying to straighten out someone's 2-3 year old Android phone. Those things are just laggy and horrible. Yes this will be dependent on the user but for the most part Android handsets are just like wading through treacle after a certain amount of time - my dad has had 3 new phones in the 6 years (a biennial Christmas present) and every time the outgoing handset is just about ready for bin. In that time my mum has been plodding along on an iPhone X which is still running as smooth as the day she got it.
Then there's just the market fragmentation of all those Android handsets. In my peak I could have gone through 2-3 phones in a year because every manufacturer has a different release cycle (as is their want of course). But for people who were, or still are, habitual "upgraders" all those used phones have to go somewhere. Apple release one phone a year (in different specs) and that's it.
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Why doesn’t your old man just get an iphone as well? Surely makes everything far easier right across the board?
Soldato
That would be much too sensible a solution
I guess at the end of the day he’s a creature of habit and to teach him a whole new OS at this stage would put years on everyone involved.
The oldest iPhone that iOS 17 supports is the XS (2018). The X (2017) received it's final full release at iOS 16. It will now only receive security updates.
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Still getting £100 to recycle that.
Caporegime
I've repaired my S22 Ultra it was £300 luckily insurance paid with £100 excess.
Not sure I'll be able to depending how much is left but going to try trade in for a iPhone 15 Pro Max on O2 switch up.
Pointing to the S24U been much better and a "beast" but a lot of the new features are either gimmicks or will cost eventually and I want to at least give it a try.
The screen is brighter on the s24 but I can only imagine it's all negligible and with O2 switch up if I don't like iPhone I can just switch back to Samsung or another brand or even down to a smaller iPhone every 90 days.
I just feel compelled to try iPhone and see how I get on, the GF uses iPhone too so have facetime and iMessage too
Not sure I'll be able to depending how much is left but going to try trade in for a iPhone 15 Pro Max on O2 switch up.
Pointing to the S24U been much better and a "beast" but a lot of the new features are either gimmicks or will cost eventually and I want to at least give it a try.
The screen is brighter on the s24 but I can only imagine it's all negligible and with O2 switch up if I don't like iPhone I can just switch back to Samsung or another brand or even down to a smaller iPhone every 90 days.
I just feel compelled to try iPhone and see how I get on, the GF uses iPhone too so have facetime and iMessage too
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Let us know how you get on, I made the switch a couple years ago and wouldn’t look back.
Soldato
Yeah my bad - the nomenclature around the X series never stuck in my head all that well - but then I was still on Android back then
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Soldato
Care to share some actual data that backs up your statement that 'hardly anyone uses it'?
I use it a lot for work on my Android phone and it's one thing i do miss on iOS/work phone but then i'm firmly in the camp that all OS's, desktop or mobile, are equally as good and as **** as each other and happily accept the faults of all of them.
You definitely can with a 6.5"+ display although i appreciate some manufacturers implementation of multi-tasking is better than others, ie - Samsung's UI is pretty decent to use for multi-tasking.
Floating 'windows' is a thing with some Android implementations and i find it useful for those situations where you're watching a game on the phone and need to reply to something.
Definitely although i'd be surprised to see it on iOS until Apple releases their folding device as i suspect at the moment the removal of multitasking on iOS helps their iPad sales to some extent.
Google Pixel, generally get better reviews for camera performance although as @LiE says, much is the same amongst flagship phones.
Grab a second hand XS or something and give it a whirl alongside your S22/Android device. Although i'm not convinced iMessage/Facetime is particularly a good cause to swap given the majority (there are stats to back this up) outside of the US (absolute PITA when dealing with them) use WhatsApp - 99.9% Apple based at work and everyone still seems to use WhatsApp for calls, messaging and video chats ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Personally, the one thing i really think Apple has nailed over Android with iOS/iPadOS is UI consistency, as @LiE mentioned, which generally gives you a better app experience especially with social media apps - Android is massively behind on this and it's something i feel Google really needs to start properly enforcing.
Otherwise there's the Apple ecosystem and if you're 100% in it then it's great but, as soon as you have to go cross-platform it starts to get a bit ropey. At least with Android, and a bit of time, you can get some shared functionality (shared notifications etc) across all your devices.
Of course I don't have data, I just know that pretty much everyone with an iPad has asked me how to get rid of two apps next to each other as it happened accidentally and they want it gone. I also don't think I've ever seen it mentioned in any of the iPad/iPadOS threads on here.Care to share some actual data that backs up your statement that 'hardly anyone uses it'?
Man of Honour
Care to share some actual data that backs up your statement that 'hardly anyone uses it'?
I use it a lot for work on my Android phone and it's one thing i do miss on iOS/work phone but then i'm firmly in the camp that all OS's, desktop or mobile, are equally as good and as **** as each other and happily accept the faults of all of them.
You definitely can with a 6.5"+ display although i appreciate some manufacturers implementation of multi-tasking is better than others, ie - Samsung's UI is pretty decent to use for multi-tasking.
Floating 'windows' is a thing with some Android implementations and i find it useful for those situations where you're watching a game on the phone and need to reply to something.
Definitely although i'd be surprised to see it on iOS until Apple releases their folding device as i suspect at the moment the removal of multitasking on iOS helps their iPad sales to some extent.
Google Pixel, generally get better reviews for camera performance although as @LiE says, much is the same amongst flagship phones.
Grab a second hand XS or something and give it a whirl alongside your S22/Android device. Although i'm not convinced iMessage/Facetime is particularly a good cause to swap given the majority (there are stats to back this up) outside of the US (absolute PITA when dealing with them) use WhatsApp - 99.9% Apple based at work and everyone still seems to use WhatsApp for calls, messaging and video chats ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Personally, the one thing i really think Apple has nailed over Android with iOS/iPadOS is UI consistency, as @LiE mentioned, which generally gives you a better app experience especially with social media apps - Android is massively behind on this and it's something i feel Google really needs to start properly enforcing.
Otherwise there's the Apple ecosystem and if you're 100% in it then it's great but, as soon as you have to go cross-platform it starts to get a bit ropey. At least with Android, and a bit of time, you can get some shared functionality (shared notifications etc) across all your devices.
Other than watching a video while sending a message/browsing (which can be done on iOS and iPhone already) what other multi tasking do people do? Genuine curiosity btw. I’ve never felt the need but if there’s something I could do that I’m not aware of I’d be interested.
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Caporegime
Shopping, I scan in the shop whilst looking at a list on the other half. Calculator whilst looking at another app where I'm getting the sums from, monzo, whatsapp etc..
generally anything where I go from one app to the other many times and think, it's easier if I could see them both at once.
Soldato
Mostly i use 'split window' during work for quickly copying/pasting data between apps and/or making notes whilst running through apps; switching between apps is noticeably slower even with swipe gesture control (Android has it too).
Otherwise it's something like shopping list and chat/WhatsApp or a video in PiP/floating window with WhatsApp whilst on the train etc.
But there are limitations with iOS PiP.
FYI, i don't believe multitasking on mobile OS's is a holy grail feature but i do think it can be extremely useful on phones at times and something that shouldn't be simply dismissed by those that don't have it.
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