****The Official Note III Thread****

Samsung can try out what ever strategy they want lol, they are raking it in.

HTC made something like $65m profit last quarter, Samsung $8.3bn :D

I'm still waiting for Samsung to release a smartphone with a stunning design made out of premium materials.

Well it serves HTC right as they're shooting themselves in the foot with their update policies and how they treat customers in general.

I'm not saying that Samsung are perfect but they're certainly trying and out to get as much out there (in people's minds) as possible.

Samsung innovated by introducing the phablet to the mobile phone market and they deserve to continue their success with the Note range.

I certainly don't care about what HTC do, I don't really like them much. :p
 
True!

But they fell short of their estimations by quite a bit and have lost out on an even larger profit again:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...ng-growth-6.5-billion-in-value-erased_id44944

Investors punished the Korean giant by erasing another $6.5 billion of its market value, sending the stock down 3.9% during trading.

This is in addition to the $12 billion it already lost, and to the nine-month low reached when word spread out that the Galaxy S4 orders are falling short of estimates.

One of the reasons is due to all the devices they have released.



+1, I still don't see them using premium materials with the note III though, expecting it next year with the gs 5 etc. It will be interesting to see how they do with using metal and if they can match the iphone and HTC phones especially when it comes to quality control given their lack of experience with making metal casing (especially if they go with uni-body design or something fancy)
 
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Not that anyone would sniff at the projected more than $8 billion profit that Samsung is about to announce July 26th, it's just that the high-end market is maturing, and the margins won't be as high anymore, though that is likely to affect all other players, too.

Says it all IMO. Everyone always wants more.
 
True again.

But if they just kept to last years strategy i.e. didn't release all these different versions and just went that bit further with the gs 4 (especially with the materials and design), they would have reached their estimations imo (or at least a lot closer anyway)

That was one big factor that played a part in HTC's downfall (although with them and their huge range of different devices, it was much worse :o :p)
 
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True!

But they fell short of their estimations by quite a bit and have lost out on an even larger profit again:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...ng-growth-6.5-billion-in-value-erased_id44944



One of the reasons is due to all the devices they have released.



+1, I still don't see them using premium materials with the note III though, expecting it next year with the gs 5 etc. It will be interesting to see how they do with using metal and if they can match the iphone and HTC phones especially when it comes to quality control given their lack of experience with making metal casing (especially if they go with uni-body design or something fancy)

It seems that the mobile industry has hit a ceiling of some kind, even Apple has been effected with their share value dipping a little. Samsung's basically making the same mistake that HTC made by releasing multiple iterations of their devices. I don't know what their strategy is but they're certainly going about things the wrong way. Yes the S4 and N3 are superb devices but by releasing different versions ultimately it will annoy and confuse consumers to the point that they may take their custom elsewhere.

I agree the Note 3 won't be using premium materials this time around, probably the design will look like a mash up between the S4 and Mega but specc'd up to the hilt.

Both HTC and Apple have fallen foul of using premium materials, I don't know if Samsung will be to be successful if they move to higher quality materials but they've had some issues with their production run with the S3 and now the S4, so no company is impervious to QC issues. Still a S5 and Note 4 built with premium materials is most welcome :)
 
Yup another reason for declining sales, there just isn't enough of a reason for people to upgrade in the last year or so as there isn't enough of a jump overall that is worth £300-400+ (especially for people that don't care about things like gpu/cpu and only use their phone for things ike calls, texts, facebook) plus a lot of people would still be stuck on 18-24 months contract with their GS 3 etc.


Apple have dug their own grave with their declining sales too, we haven't had a "proper" upgraded iphone since the 4 and the software hasn't changed/improved much either, iOS 7 is the first proper real change/improvement and even then it is still a bit too late to the market imo, android has come on leaps and bounds since the GS 2 and ICS, to the point where it has more or less the best of everything when it comes to software experience and hardware experience so people will be getting bored of the iphone and iOS and jumping ship especially when Samsung's marketing is so aggressive and good these days.

Now if apple bring a proper upgraded iphone with a different better design etc. then I expect them to sell extremely well and maybe even bring a few android owners back to the dark side :p


Yup, should be more or less identical to the mega but thinner bezel and different dimensions and of course as you said, much better specs.


I wonder if they will use that same magnesium material that they are using on their new latops/tablets or whatever it is :p for the gs 5 etc.

One thing for sure is that if they don't use premium materials and change the design enough then they are going to get even more of a bashing in the reviews etc. next year. Thankfully Samsung seem to haev taken notice of that though!


Matt got it pretty much spot on with what Samsung are doing imo, trying to get as many people as possible using their devices regardless of what version it is, as long as it is Samsung, so if people don't like the GS 4 for some reason i.e. size then they will buy the mini, if they want a water proof phone like the xperia Z but don't like certain things about the Z then they have the choice of the activ etc. As I said before, in some ways it is good for the consumer with all the choice (baring in mind that the only ones that seem to get annoyed by things like this, is us, the "in the know/techy" crowd :o :p (and at least with Samsung they market the devices to the "target" audience extremely well unlike htc), however, as shown by Samsung's financial reports etc., it was a bad move for them in the end.
 
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What's improper about Samsung's current OLED screens?

Proper as in 1080p like the GS4. My comment was in comparison to the Note II, not other Samsung phones that already have 1080p.

Phone cameras are limited by their physical size, so I would say you're never really going to get an "incredible" phone camera in a slim phone.

That's why SLRs are so large because the physical size of the lens and sensor makes all the difference to the image quality.

Incredible relative to other phone cameras, quite obviously. Why you're talking about SLRs, I have no idea. Or did you want to start drawing comparisons to the Hubble telescope?
 
Proper as in 1080p like the GS4. My comment was in comparison to the Note II, not other Samsung phones that already have 1080p.
So now proper means 1920x1080?


Incredible relative to other phone cameras, quite obviously.

Phone cameras are limited by their physical size, so I would say you're never really going to get an "incredible" phone camera in a slim phone.

This means that physical size of lenses and sensors limits the progress of camera phone quality.

Why you're talking about SLRs, I have no idea.

That's odd, because I explained it already; That's why SLRs are so large because the physical size of the lens and sensor makes all the difference to the image quality.

Or did you want to start drawing comparisons to the Hubble telescope?

Well why not? Physical size has a bearing on the capabilities.

I don't think you quite understand what's being said.
 
So now proper means 1920x1080?

I'm not trying to lead industry-wide agreement of the word "proper", if that's what you're asking?

Phone cameras are limited by their physical size, so I would say you're never really going to get an "incredible" phone camera in a slim phone.

Everything's relative. Incredible for a mobile phone means the best possible camera for a slim mobile phone. It does not mean incredible relative to an £800 SLR (or the Hubble telescope :D).

Well why not? Physical size has a bearing on the capabilities.

Thank you so much for pointing that out! I don't think anyone here understood that. From now on I'm going to rate my smartphone's macro shots against the Diamond synchrotron microscope.

I don't think you quite understand what's being said.

I understand that you have no concept of a sensible comparison.
 
I'm not trying to lead industry-wide agreement of the word "proper", if that's what you're asking?

My mistake! It looked like you were!



Everything's relative. Incredible for a mobile phone means the best possible camera for a slim mobile phone. It does not mean incredible relative to an £800 SLR (or the Hubble telescope :D).

I don't think incredible is ever an appropriate word to use when talking about a camera phone photo.

As for £800, where did you get that from? You can get SLRs for less than half that. :confused:


Thank you so much for pointing that out! I don't think anyone here understood that. From now on I'm going to rate my smartphone's macro shots against the Diamond synchrotron microscope.



I understand that you have no concept of a sensible comparison.

Or maybe you don't understand (well you clearly do) that my point was that there's a hard limit on the quality of the photos from a phone camera because they are limited by the physical size.

Diminishing returns and all that, mega pixel count doesn't mean much to overall image quality, though I suspect you feel it does.

So I don't think "incredible" should ever be used to compare the cameras on top end phones, because realistically without increasing the size of the lens and sensor, the primary thing they do is increase the megapixel rating.
 
@Nexus
Again very true, consumers have to be extremely careful with their money for there's a recession that has affected our spending power. It's safe to say that most consumers will not upgrade to a phone that has meagre updates over the phone that they currently own, it's financial suicide unless you happen to be one of those people who are on a sim free contract and can dip in and out of buying sim free phones and finance the cost of a new phone by selling their old phone.

All this talk of quad core phones and so and so RAM reminds me of the megapixel camera race, I've yet to see the benefits of a quad core phone (I'm sure that there are advantages) but take the HOS as a very good example and even the S2 as two very capable phones that can just about keep up with phones that considered as current flagships.

It comes down to optimizing ROMs to run efficiently thus ensuring that the phone is able to keep up with its quad core counterparts very well. Unless you're a hardcore gamer or a very heavy user who likes to open a slew of apps on a phone, you don't really need quad core or dare I say it Octa core powered phones. Granted it's always nice to have extra RAM on board as it was very evident that the S3 LTE looked and felt way more snappier than the S3.

Apple got a nasty shock and IMO they're a victim of their own success and hype, actually they were caught with their trousers down and thought that no company would be able to compete with them on a level that Samsung et all have done, in fact they've been extremely arrogant and have had to go back to the drawing board with iOS7 which is a step in the right direction, but they also have to change the way the iphone looks.

If they bring out a totally redesigned iphone which distances itself from previous iterations and runs iOS7 really well, then I'm sure that some Android users will jump ship to the dark side. :eek:

I haven't seen the materials on Samsung laptops, maybe a trip to the local PC World is in order to check it out. :D

Oh yes, I think Samsung have learnt from the bashing they received from Press and consumers a like, they thought that they can bring out anything and the public would lap it up, much like Apple I'm afraid. :o

I've noticed from a TV drama that I watch that most of the cast use Samsung products, mostly S3, Note 2 and a couple of S4 phones. They used to use the Iphone quite religiously but now the tied is turning towards Samsung products and that's saying something.

Matt hit the nail on the head and I too agree with his thoughts, if I wanted a waterproof phone, I certainly would bypass the Z for the GS4 active, in fact if I had spare cash I would buy the GS4 active as I prefer its look over the normal S4.

I'm going to start HTC bashing again, they have no clue whatsoever how to brand their products, their QC is terrible and their CS is virtually non existent. They could bring out the best phone in the world which magically transforms into a Bugatti Veyron and I would still avoid it like the plague.

I'm not a Samsung fan boy but they just seem to know what people want and I like the experiments that they occasionally engage in like releasing projects like the Galaxy Mega. Samsung have balls as well as cash to indulge in such projects and you have to give it to them.

Look back to prior the original Galaxy Note being released, people would've scoffed at using a 5.3"+ phone as their daily driver, let alone a phone with a stylus (that's so early 2000's)! yet now the Galaxy Note range is the jewel in Samsung's crown and tech savvy consumers are waiting in anticipation for the Note 3.
 
@Nexus
Again very true, consumers have to be extremely careful with their money for there's a recession that has affected our spending power. It's safe to say that most consumers will not upgrade to a phone that has meagre updates over the phone that they currently own, it's financial suicide unless you happen to be one of those people who are on a sim free contract and can dip in and out of buying sim free phones and finance the cost of a new phone by selling their old phone.

All this talk of quad core phones and so and so RAM reminds me of the megapixel camera race, I've yet to see the benefits of a quad core phone (I'm sure that there are advantages) but take the HOS as a very good example and even the S2 as two very capable phones that can just about keep up with phones that considered as current flagships.

It comes down to optimizing ROMs to run efficiently thus ensuring that the phone is able to keep up with its quad core counterparts very well. Unless you're a hardcore gamer or a very heavy user who likes to open a slew of apps on a phone, you don't really need quad core or dare I say it Octa core powered phones. Granted it's always nice to have extra RAM on board as it was very evident that the S3 LTE looked and felt way more snappier than the S3.

Apple got a nasty shock and IMO they're a victim of their own success and hype, actually they were caught with their trousers down and thought that no company would be able to compete with them on a level that Samsung et all have done, in fact they've been extremely arrogant and have had to go back to the drawing board with iOS7 which is a step in the right direction, but they also have to change the way the iphone looks.

If they bring out a totally redesigned iphone which distances itself from previous iterations and runs iOS7 really well, then I'm sure that some Android users will jump ship to the dark side. :eek:

I haven't seen the materials on Samsung laptops, maybe a trip to the local PC World is in order to check it out. :D

Oh yes, I think Samsung have learnt from the bashing they received from Press and consumers a like, they thought that they can bring out anything and the public would lap it up, much like Apple I'm afraid. :o

I've noticed from a TV drama that I watch that most of the cast use Samsung products, mostly S3, Note 2 and a couple of S4 phones. They used to use the Iphone quite religiously but now the tied is turning towards Samsung products and that's saying something.

Matt hit the nail on the head and I too agree with his thoughts, if I wanted a waterproof phone, I certainly would bypass the Z for the GS4 active, in fact if I had spare cash I would buy the GS4 active as I prefer its look over the normal S4.

I'm going to start HTC bashing again, they have no clue whatsoever how to brand their products, their QC is terrible and their CS is virtually non existent. They could bring out the best phone in the world which magically transforms into a Bugatti Veyron and I would still avoid it like the plague.

I'm not a Samsung fan boy but they just seem to know what people want and I like the experiments that they occasionally engage in like releasing projects like the Galaxy Mega. Samsung have balls as well as cash to indulge in such projects and you have to give it to them.

Look back to prior the original Galaxy Note being released, people would've scoffed at using a 5.3"+ phone as their daily driver, let alone a phone with a stylus (that's so early 2000's)! yet now the Galaxy Note range is the jewel in Samsung's crown and tech savvy consumers are waiting in anticipation for the Note 3.

A good read mate. I also think Quad-core is a marketing gimmick, and wasted on a phone. Dual core krait with a beefy GPU is ideal as quite a few of us have said.

And I agree phone tech/progress is plateauing, however it seems OEM's always bring out a nice shiny new feature every year to keep us on our toes. I for one am not complaining, love progress.
 
A good read mate. I also think Quad-core is a marketing gimmick, and wasted on a phone. Dual core krait with a beefy GPU is ideal as quite a few of us have said.

And I agree phone tech/progress is plateauing, however it seems OEM's always bring out a nice shiny new feature every year to keep us on our toes. I for one am not complaining, love progress.

Thanks Dude much appreciated.

See that's saying something when us tech savvy people admit that a dual core Krait processor backed up with a beefy GPU is ideal.

OEM's know how to keep us interested and I like the added features that they include on their versions of Android it certainly adds to the experience and I'm with you on the progress stakes, you cant knock it!

So are you tempted by the Note 3?
 
@stoosh

Yup there are no advantages with android and quad core CPU's, the software just isn't optimised to take advantage of the extra cores and potential it will offer, once that is then we see the true benefits such as better multi-tasking and power efficiency (as long as the rest of the chipset is good)

As you pointed out, you just have to look at the one S, GS 2 etc. and compare to the current quad core phones. When comparing my one S to the one, there is very little difference overall in terms of speed and smoothness and the areas where the one is smoother/faster, could just be down to sense V4+ VS sense V5......

Google only recently released the proper software developing tools for app developers in order to make proper use of quad core cpu etc. And afaik, google need to do the same on their side with the base of android.

It is all about the software optimisation these days, the most important thing there is! As nokia and apple have proven with their devices!


Now extra RAM is beneficial with android due to how it works, as you pointed out, most evident with the gs 3 and LTE model. Although, we have sort of hit the max for that too as skins and apps are becoming lighter/less resource hungry (well except for touchwiz where you need more RAM :p), any more than 3GB (2GB for lighter skins like sense V5 and stock) is overkill imo.


You should! It is amazing and quite sad how Samsung can design really nice premium looking and feeling products for a number of their devices, however, come to android phones well...... :(


Indeed, I am really glad that more or less all of the sites bashed touchwiz and the materials, more or less the same design (although it is much better than the gs 3 design but I really want a much different and newer design) as it means that they will have to change their ways, so good for us consumers and those are my only two dislikes really, especially touchwiz, despise that with a passion! :mad: :p


Likewise, have noticed the same with quite a lot of shows, amazing what money and marketing/brand power can do ;) Ridiculous just how much the galaxy devices are advertised, can't do anything without seeing or hearing about a galaxy device, look in the newspaper, see tons of ads for the GS 4, flick tv channel, see galaxy ad, go into phone/network shops see galaxy device posters plastered across the walls/windows and them put on "show" with their own stand etc. where as HTC etc. well the less said about their marketing, the better :p :o


The activ is really nice looking (again proof that Samsung are capable of doing well regarding this!), love the back, don't like the hard buttons though, should have gone with on screen!


Despite HTC's awful support when it comes to certain devices, they are still my favourite android brand as they meet all my requirements (out of the box) :( I also love how they are ones that lead the market for being first with a lot of stuff i.e. that video you posted a while ago, they actually came up with a lot of stuff that has become the norm. for android these days such as custom skins and then have done it again this year with boomsound, camera overall and the metal body + antenna. You would expect the bigger companies like Samsung, apple etc. to be the ones doing this!


Yup, have to give Samsung credit for making a big device and stylus the "in thing" to do these days, amazing how it took of due to the hate for big devices and stylus being considered a thing of the past.
On the topic of phone camera quality, phone cameras are absolutely superb these days imo and can do pretty well in comparison to proper dedicated camera equipment especially when photos are further processed in lightroom. The main downfall is low light conditions.
 
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@Nexus
You know what? I had the pleasure to mess around with a HOS the other day...my god its so speedy. I forgotten just how good the phone is.

You're right with proper software optimisation and a decent chip set any phone can be more than up to the task.
That's interesting news that I wasn't aware of in respect to Google only just releasing proper software developing tools to take advantage of Quad core chip sets. I wonder how long it will take before we see the benefits?
Google are a strange bunch as the ASOP version of Android is extremely bare bones IMO, they never ever seem to add anything extra to it. I'm kind of hoping that KLP will have some exciting innovations though and a new fresh clean look.

A very good point made by you regarding Skins and the effect on RAM it has. Sense 5 is extremely light and isn't a resource hog unlike Touchwiz, you only have to go into settings to see how much RAM Touchwiz gobbles up. Yes its gimmicky and most of the features are turned off on my S4 but its nice to know that they can be turned on if you want to show off to your Mates!

Do you recall the Ativ S? I was gutted that Samsung basically brought out a prettier and better built (materials wise) Windows based version of the Galaxy S4.

I'm popping into town over the weekend so I'll most definitely pop into a PC World and check out the Samsung range of laptops just out of curiousity!

Dude I was a massive HTC fan and I agree they were innovators and to a point still are (after all they got the ball rolling with premium materials being used on phones) and HTC Zoe which Nokia seem to have lifted for the Nokia Lumia 925. I just don't like the way they throw their loyal consumers repeatedly under a bus and the HOS not getting the latest 4.2.2 update was the final straw for me, even though I don't have a HOS the device still holds a special place in my heart for me much like the original HTC Nexus.

Absolutely you would expect bigger companies to innovate considering they have the financial clout to do so but some how they chose not to for some reason. In that respect HTC still have some admiration from me and why I tend to gravitate towards their products first before inevitably settling for anything else.

I have no issue giving Samsung my money and have done so again by ditching the Nexus 7 in favour of the Galaxy Mega which should be with me by Monday. It might be a mid specced phone but its been optimized well and runs virtually glitch free.

I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to the state of mobile phone photography, the examples that you posted in the HOS thread were excellent and a very good example of what could be achieved with a great camera sensor (a little skill) and Light room!
 
Yes for the Mrs and her tired feeling Note 1. Though I hope it has a few new exciting features as I'm getting a bit bored with these new phones and their iterative progress.

Ok cool! The difference between the Note and Note 3 should be quite substantial so she should be well pleased.

You're right it's kind of getting stagnant now but having said that the Note series phones always seem to have something that trumps their Galaxy S counterparts and make me quite envious and frustrated that I have smallish hands lol!
 
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