Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

How did you vote in the EU Referendum?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 861 53.0%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 763 47.0%
  • Total voters
    1,624
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It was Putin who said that:

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016...ave-called-eu-referendum-to-blackmail-europe/

This is a win-win scenario for Russia. The UK was quite vocal in pushing EU sanctions on them,and many of the EU countries like France were half-hearted(and they still tried to sell them the Mistral-class amphibious assault ships they had ordered).

So,I can see the EU probably not extending many of the sanctions after the current round expires.
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It also makes the EU weaker which is a plus for Putin.
 
wildman said:
The answer to that question is simple, there will be no free market access for the UK without an accompanying free movement of people. If the EU re-negs for the UK then the party is over. Junkers et al will stick to their guns on this as free movement is the very corner stone on which the EU is built.

They'll see the UK go up in smoke and take what ever pain they need to in order to steady the rest of the EU before seeing a curbing on the free movement of people in the EU. I might be wrong on this, and maybe it's for the best that I am , but can anyone, once they take their rose tinted glasses off really see us getting the best of both worlds out of the EU now ? No chance, as it would effectively start hammering nails into the coffin for the whole EU. The UK is about to get a taste of EU retribution so I hope everyone is ready for more austerity. But that's ok because people can sit at home in houses they can no longer afford, with no heating and empty food cupboards, but be pleased as punch that they have sovereignty, something they always had but decided to sell themselves down the river because they were too thick to work it out.
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Good post.
 
If I'd known the dollar/pound exchange rate would drop this low after Brexit - I'd still have voted to leave -

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wildman said:
to prevent contagion of other nations wanting to split. The faster they can ge the UK out the quicker they can apply their punishments of choice to show others what happens when you quit.
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Also the ongoing uncertainty negatively affects them too. So whilst we are negotiating we are dragging them down with us. Better, from their perspective, for us to get out ASAP. Meanwhile, this puts us in a better bargaining position.
 
philip2009 said:
If I'd known the dollar/pound exchange rate would drop this low after Brexit - I'd still have voted to leave -

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*sigh*

As has been said countless times (and silly Carol), the brexit risk has been factored in to the financial markets for months and months. The pound has been suffering from this uncertainty for ages.

The rate went up to 1.51 on Thursday in the hopes it was a remain victory and was forecast to get back up to where it should be ~1.6 if we voted to remain.

We are hugely down in comparison.
 
Nitefly said:
Also the ongoing uncertainty negatively affects them too. So whilst we are negotiating we are dragging them down with us. Better, from their perspective, for us to get out ASAP. Meanwhile, this puts us in a better bargaining position.
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But only slightly better imo - it's 1 versus 27 right now, and our importing from certain EU countries is probably a secondary consideration for them when it comes to protecting their whole foundation.
 
Moses said:
There was a lot of talk about how retarded it was we were leaving such a monumental decision to people who overall don't know what they're talking about. A ridiculous proportion of people had, and have, no idea of the basic facts. That wasn't a weird, niche view. It was twinned by people saying referenda are retarded in an era of representative democracy - the whole idea is that when it comes to these complicated issues, we elect people who have a better idea of what's going on to do the hard thinking for us. Again, that wasn't a weird, niche view.
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Yes, that's fine, I'm more specifically referencing some of the 'boo hoo 16+ year olds should have been able to vote" I've seen from the media.

On the balance, I think it's probably right that there was a vote. But it was a total fudge up that the remain campaign based their whole time talking about negative consequences rather than taking the time and making the effort to give detailed information on how the EU actually works and what it's objectives are. Barely anyone understands it, even now.
 
wildman said:
The answer to that question is simple, there will be no free market access for the UK without an accompanying free movement of people. If the EU re-negs for the UK then the party is over. Junkers et al will stick to their guns on this as free movement is the very corner stone on which the EU is built.

They'll see the UK go up in smoke and take what ever pain they need to in order to steady the rest of the EU before seeing a curbing on the free movement of people in the EU. I might be wrong on this, and maybe it's for the best that I am , but can anyone, once they take their rose tinted glasses off really see us getting the best of both worlds out of the EU now ? No chance, as it would effectively start hammering nails into the coffin for the whole EU. The UK is about to get a taste of EU retribution so I hope everyone is ready for more austerity. But that's ok because people can sit at home in houses they can no longer afford, with no heating and empty food cupboards, but be pleased as punch that they have sovereignty, something they always had but decided to sell themselves down the river because they were too thick to work it out.
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Indeed, in many respects its a no win situation on both sides, trading tariffs will cost us money and we will have to swallow large chunks of EU law anyway* to enable free market access. We have god knows how many laws to rewrite, decide what laws we adopt and then establish what we have to adopt. I imagine in X number of years we will probably back to where we were on Wednesday but with no representative around the table making the laws.

We have an immediate issue brewing in Calais though as the mayor of Calais wants changes to a deal which allowed Britain to carry out immigration checks on the French side of the English Channel, they basically want to move the camps to our side now.

* assuming we dont simply adopt them all anyway.
 
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stewski said:
I'm worried that this will happen.
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it's happening, the Eu meeting they are having on Tuesday isn't to swap chocolate cake recipes, it's to make sure that the remaining key leaders are all on the same hymn sheet. Yes the UK might eventually get there alone, but the fallout for at east the next generation is going to be almost insurmountable. People have no real concept of what hardship really is anymore and are about to get a taste of something that will leave them reeling for decades.
 
bulldog147 said:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215 there u go if u are not happy with EU leave
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Nothing will come of it, they already said that they would respect the outcome of the referendum, even if one side won by a single vote.

If the remain side had won, they would still be nasty and spiteful to all those who voted leave. Especially if someone called for a second referendum, they would be shouting from the rooftops about the hysterical, xenophobic, racist bigot leavers wanting to invalidate the vote.
 
stewski said:
I'm worried that this will happen.
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Well that would lead to very nasty arguments which I am sure the Germans want to avoid... as could avoid in worse arguments...

You ask me, EU should have not included all ex USSR / Eastern countries as there is nothing to share in term of history or background besides being from the same planet (clearly was a decision to **** Russia off)...and that has been the problem all along as it is for us in northern Italy...
 
Mynight said:
As much as I wasn't impressed with the result this is disgusting and I hope it gets shot down.

You can't have a democracy and reroll votes until they go your way.

We should have had minimums set before the vote.
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That is exactly what happened in the past 7 - 10 Referenda that occurred across the EU. IT shows what contempt the EU has for its people, they ignored any 'No' magority votes and bullied through a second referendum until they got the result they wanted. Most of this occurred when treaty changes were going on, especially the Lisbon treaty.
 
Mauller said:
Nothing will come of it, they already said that they would respect the outcome of the referendum, even if one side won by a single vote.

If the remain side had won, they would still be nasty and spiteful to all those who voted leave. Especially if someone called for a second referendum, they would be shouting from the rooftops about the hysterical, xenophobic, racist bigot leavers wanting to invalidate the vote.
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It is a referendum... it is not as people voted a law...

I do not think leavers are necessarily xenophobic... really...
 
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