A middle ground can be found.
Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)
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A middle ground can be found.
Because they don't want a ball and chain round their legs pulling them down with uncertainty and instability. That's why the two year term would only every be a two year term and not extended.
They want it over and done with as quick as possible so they can get back to going about their usual lives. That's not a good thing for us, although we also need it done and dusted as quickly as possible so the markets know where we stand.
People with that attitude are making me feel ill... And a little concerned about the quality of education in this country for some of its residents...
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lmao regressive tears
Anything vaguely positive in the thread is being ignored in favour of the doom and gloom of our resident economic experts.
Yep, if people think the countries left in the EU will suddenly stop trading with us they're crazy, the UK is a huge part of the worlds economics.
... That's the extent of my knowledge, and I won't pretend to know any more than I do to avoid sounding like those you mention!
Although one thing is for certain, France will most likely take this opportunity to apply boot to the babymakers.
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What does that mean?
Anything vaguely positive in the thread is being ignored in favour of the doom and gloom of our resident economic experts.
Thing is though a lot of what's being said seems to be written off as "scaremongering" by the ones who've won the vote.
I'm at a loss as to what scaremongering now could hope to achieve since the result is already done and dusted.
Could they not just be legitimate concerns which are worthy of consideration or debunking?
People with that attitude are making me feel ill... And a little concerned about the quality of education in this country for some of its residents...
There is a winning side, its Russia.
Possibly not. I think the 'establishment' (the EU and our own leaders) really have failed for a long time to address the brewing 'uneducated' resentment of the public on issues like immigration. It's a problem that people felt that way in the first place.
I don't disagree with that sentiment at all, but that has to be offset against the fact that our population is, to a large extent, impacted (for good or worse) and controlled by what it deems to be a faceless identity. Of course, the onus is on the voters to find out information, but they are indeed lazy and I do think there is a responsibility is giving some level of information to make the voters aware of what they are doing and what the aims of the EU are.
There is accountability through MEPs and through our own leaders, sure, but there is so little interaction with MEPs and information about them that the public just doesn't even register their purpose or existence. How did it get to that position? Nobody really cared or took electing MEPs seriously... a secondary election of no real consquence.
That was the mistake - making the people think they were powerless and this vote alone gave them a voice.
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It doesn't really change the point that the currency today, now the Leave vote has won, should be by far the lowest value - it isn't.
As you mention, I reckon liquidity could be a key issue if the negotiations went badly. 27 central banks versus the BoE isn't a fight we're likely to make past the first round. I doubt that it would come down to this but the EU holds so many better cards than us that this could become messy.
The key rule to negotiating is to never approach it with confidence, instead embrace it with prudence.
Could also be argued that the politicians on both sides were far more interested in their soundbites rather than making any attempt at informing the public. Almost all of the debates had similar answers to every question, to the ludicrous levels of expecting someone to ask Cameron what colour the sky was, to get a soundbite on 'leap into the dark / better off together / we'll all the worse off out'. (For the record this applies to both sides even though I mentioned Cameron).
I personally don't think people in general are as stupid as many seem to believe (don't get me wrong, there are those who are very much so on both sides), but many no longer trust in the political system and those within it for any form of information (the £350m was as much of a farce as the £4300). Equally people are generally self interested and what you may see as beneficial to you may well not be to someone else. I am far more dismayed over the last few months that people see others who have differing views as simply being uneducated and unworthy of a vote.
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To back that up.
Arguing that it's just as low (actually lower) as another very low point is not a great argument.
People with that attitude are making me feel ill... And a little concerned about the quality of education in this country for some of its residents...
It's the quality of education in this country that got us into this mess in the first place. We're way down the world lists for literacy, numeracy, science etc. And you can't blame the EU for that.
Oh, moses, re: the 16+ year old point, I don't think that age bracket shouldn't have voted, but in this case there wasn't a drive to make them eligible until the dying days, at which point it was practically "huh, wish I could vote..." - too little too late, certaintly not enough to make people quest the legitimacy of this outcome.
I could be wrong, but didn't the BOE just print 250Billion Pounds, was that because we're boyant?
This is the Internet and a lot of people have lost an Internet argument - that is serious to a lot of people.
In all seriousness the doom and gloom seems to be largely based on the EU taking revenge and punishing us (which I don't believe - money talks) but what that does do is reinforce to me that WE have made the right decision.
People vote politicians to do the job...
Having a PM not elected isn't democracy, in Italy we have that sh** face that no one voted being Merkel's puppy as the French's (Well at least he was elected).
As I always said the only way to reset the whole thing is a war.......Germany never learn...it never did...it never will...
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