Poll: The Official OcUK EU Referendum Exit poll (and results discussion thread)

[Felon]

Oh dear, this thread suddenly descended!

As I mentioned earlier, in due course all the leave voters could and should be damn smug and I will be grateful.... Provided that position is better than pre-referendum.

The funny thing is, they're being smug anyway - even though they had no idea of the position of anything, pre or post referendum, or exactly how things will pan out now.

2-3 years from now, I can imagine hardcore brexit voters booking their holidays to discover the Easyjet cheap flight that used to be £25 each way, is now £300, but they'll still be smug, because they gave the government a kicking remember...

 

[Tosno]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json

{"name":"United Kingdom","code":"GB","signature_count":353988}

Only 350,000 signatures from the UK..

Losers blown out again and again and again.

350,000 out of 16 million votes ain't bad

 

[Captain]

WAAAAAAAHHHHHH DEMOCRACY IS BROKEN WHEN I DON'T WIN!!!!!

All these tasty tears, hilarious!

So we can use this as ammunition if somehow they manage to allow a second referendum because remain lost?

 

[Roar87]

The credit departments of banks caused the financial crash. At the time the credit divisions comprised roughly 11% of banking staff - so 89% of bankers had nothing to do with the credit crisis. Credit divisions were split loosely into cash credit, credit derivatives and structured credit - structured credit was the primary cause of the crash. Of those working within structured credit, only the more senior individuals had any actual investment authority - most at Analyst, Associate and VP level were just following orders.

So the actual number London bankers that you'd like to blame were probably roughly .1%-.3% of the actual banking population in London. Thousands and thousands of the other 99.7% to 99.9% of bankers not involved in the investment activity of structured credit operations were made redundant. London as a city had nothing to do with this.

Subsequently the EU voted in a bankers' bonus cap. Your Leave vote will very likely have just removed the bonus cap, therefore very likely ratcheting up pay in that sector. Well done you.

I work for a retail bank, I don't even think it's a good idea to cap bonuses because the free market should be allowed to operate as they see fit. I understand that most people weren't personally responsible. Thanks for the interesting post though I feel we're just digressing from the original point now that London has to stick with the rest of the UK through thick and thin, there are many obvious times when the rest of the UK has made valuable contributions to the economy and country as a whole

 

[CREATIVE!11]

I can't exactly pay my mortgage on national pride sentiment.

 

[GAC]

had a chat with my mother about all of this, and she put it rather nicely about her own life. she was born in 1939, so lived through the end of ww2, then had the dire decade and a half after the war. yay she saw the 1960's and all the fun that went on, but then she saw the 1970's and the early 80's and well we know how things have been up and down since then. guess what, she's still alive and enjoying life doing her own thing, maybe a few people on here going on like its the end of the world need to take a step back take a deep breath and calm down before they cause themselves to have a stroke.

 

[Felon]

Why are people still talking about a second referendum, the PM has resigned rofl - the **** are people blathering on about?

 

[wildman]

If, in 6 months to a year or so, it becomes clear to all that we'll be much worse off then perhaps at that time we can revisit the decision. To revote now is to undermine the whole process.

by then it will be way too late. If article 50 is invoked it will get seen out to the bitter end. This is not a suck it and see if you like the flavour decision. The EU will already be working on how they ware going to stabilise themselves and if Britain comes back crawling in 12 months because they can't get a deal they will either say do one, or hand out caveats that will make the brexiters wish they never woke up on the 23rd such as forced adoption of single currency.

If this is going to be undone it must be undone now before a single move is made. if not then we need to tighten our belts and play the game we were just dragged into by the "send them home" brigade.

 

[Roar87]

If they could give me a shred of evidence that we would be better off then I'll be happier.

Besides "we'll be great again" rubbish again and again. I can't exactly pay my mortgage on national pride sentiment.

Interest rates could come down so paying your Mortgage should be easier unless your employment is directly affected of course

 

[muon]

edit: wrong i think

 

[Spacedeck]

That petition that's going around. Why should that trigger a new vote? They are asking for the law to change. So because this vote has already been cast, it would be exempt? If implemented, it should only be for votes performed after the law change?

 

[Raymond Lin]

by then it will be way too late. If article 50 is invoked it will get seen out to the bitter end. This is not a suck it and see if you like the flavour decision. The EU will already be working on how they ware going to stabilise themselves and if Britain comes back crawling in 12 months because they can't get a deal they will either say do one, or hand out caveats that will make the brexiters wish they never woke up on the 23rd such as forced adoption of single currency.

If this is going to be undone it must be undone now before a single move is made. if not then we need to tighten our belts and play the game we were just dragged into by the "send them home" brigade.

Yup, once Article 50 is invoked, there is a hard 2 years deadline, it is a maximum, not a minimum and we would be out in 2 years no matter what.

Once that ship has sailed, it doesn't turn back. And in a way, it has sailed because otherwise it put the legitimacy of our democracy into question.

 

[balky12]

RJC I was having fun with Creative!

Rules are rules though I suppose!

 

[Concrete]

http://www.sauravdutt.com/blog/brexit

Seen this doing the rounds on twitter. Apologies if it's been posted before. I particularly liked this bit:

I think thats probably pretty accurate.

But the previous 'losers' who decided to shake things up, have made a massive miscalculation sadly. The hands aren't being reshuffled, and the rules of the game are still the same.

They have just made the people who have have already done well for themselves mad at them and that certainly isn't going to improve their lives.

 

[Mauller]

That petition that's going around. Why should that trigger a new vote? They are asking for the law to change. So because this vote has already been cast, it would be exempt? If implemented, it should only be for votes performed after the law change?

Essentially it would be exempt since the referendum has already been called and the vote legally counted and legitimised. Just a matter of the government going through with the will of the people.

Plus that petition was started months ago before the referendum started, people can't jump on it now when the referendum has been called.

 

[Raymond Lin]

Interest rates could come down so paying your Mortgage should be easier unless your employment is directly affected of course

We don't know yet, and I handed in my notice on Thursday as well !!! (albeit I have a new job lined up, but it is a company that is based in the UK and Europe....)

So instead of getting a nice redundancy on a 7 year continuous employment from my previous job, if I get redundant in my new role, I will get zilch !

 

[stewski]

by then it will be way too late. If article 50 is invoked it will get seen out to the bitter end. This is not a suck it and see if you like the flavour decision. The EU will already be working on how they ware going to stabilise themselves and if Britain comes back crawling in 12 months because they can't get a deal they will either say do one, or hand out caveats that will make the brexiters wish they never woke up on the 23rd such as forced adoption of single currency.

If this is going to be undone it must be undone now before a single move is made. if not then we need to tighten our belts and play the game we were just dragged into by the "send them home" brigade.

No one knows what kind of further deal we could get from the EU.
Personally, I believe the best outcome that could possibly come from the current situation, is the EU offer greater reform and we have a second referendum.

 

[StriderX]

That petition that's going around. Why should that trigger a new vote? They are asking for the law to change. So because this vote has already been cast, it would be exempt? If implemented, it should only be for votes performed after the law change?

Its the common leftist tactic to think a petition does sweet **** all, ignore it.

It has no mandate until it reaches 17 million.

 

[Sankari]

Of course, but i just dont see how an independant scotland can afford to pay for itself? No NHS no free university... they would have to have a very dramatic change in lifestyle to afford the first few decades. I think they would vote to leave in a patriotic mood and then when reality kicks in....... well same as the referendum really

There are smaller EU member states than Scotland that manage to take care of themselves. Luxembourg's population consists of 562,958 people and a dead cat left behind by a Dutch tourist, but she's still cruising.

 

[Raikiri]

That petition that's going around. Why should that trigger a new vote? They are asking for the law to change. So because this vote has already been cast, it would be exempt? If implemented, it should only be for votes performed after the law change?

As I've said many times now a referendum is not legally binding.

We elect a government to carry out these decisions, a referendum is merely to see what the general consensus is. It could have been 99% leave and the government could still disregard the result.

If they want to do another vote they can, I'm not saying they will but all those claiming the decision is already made are wrong.