Poll: *The Official PlayStation (PS5/PS5 Pro) Thread*

Will you be buying a PS5 Pro on release?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 15.2%

  • No (not at £700 Lol)

    Votes: 197 57.8%

  • No (other)

    Votes: 75 22.0%

  • Pancake

    Votes: 17 5.0%
  • Total voters
    341
Crazy how below spec Sony have found themselves in. It’s clearly a 9Tflop design as leaked previously and they’ve given it a variable frequency at the last second to try and close the gap to the X1. It’s going to be a jet engine once again and they must be redesigning the console to cope with the heat it’s going to give off. Not good.
 
Looks to me like Sony - with a bit of luck - have made a much better choice than MS.

Cheaper hardware has to be a massive win with the state the global economy is likely to be in when they both launch.

Higher clocked smaller GPU with better cooling (latter has been rumoured for a long time) could lead to pretty significant savings, and potentially much better availability, as they'll be able to ship more product with the same wafer allocation.
 
The XSX is MUCH faster, there's no question about it. The boost clock nonsense from Sony is BS in order to juice up numbers for marketing. Trying to pass off better SSD performance as the selling point is also mostly trying to change focus. The simple fact is you can always, ALWAYS use more GPU power. More pixels, more frames, more rays, more anything. Making use of faster SSD is really much more rare and is mostly going to help open world games. It's much more difficult to do & you don't necessarily need it for every type, storage performance is really about thresholds. Plus, hearing the 2.x Ghz for CPU number at certain points just sounds horrific.

Overall, I like what they talked about. A lot. But let's not do free marketing for Sony based on wishful thinking. Microsoft is putting up a much stronger console, no ifs or buts. It's a monster.
 
I think the good news for Sony both companies is that for the majority of players the specs dont matter, they'll stick to what they had before and I think PS4 had a bigger user base?
 
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Wondering how much diminishing returns will affect that SSD. Loading games isn't gonna be much quicker than Series X, maybe a couple seconds? And is that extra bandwidth going to allow PS developers to make significant design decisions that they can't on Series X? Difficult to say.
 
Poneros said:
Microsoft is putting up a much stronger console, no ifs or buts. It's a monster.
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They're putting up a likely much more expensive (or loss making) console, which is likely to be crucial in the current environment.

Also, 20% isn't THAT much when both are vastly stronger than the previous gen.
 
Panos said:
I am with you. People see the TF numbers and start running wild. They forgot that TF is just a calculation not an actual representation of performance. (CU / Speed).
In addition I am very keen to see what the custom to PS5 GPU Scrubber does and the performance gains from the AMD sound chip which would. A process that usually go to the CPU/GPU to handle and is more performance heavy than 1.7TFlops missing

And lets not forget. MS uses DX12.1 on the console, SONY uses own API which could be more much more efficient.

Update. As wrote above, PS5 looks like a better console and not like a cheap PC.
https://wccftech.com/df-ps5s-variab...only-1st-party-will-truly-utilize-ssds-speed/

The data transactions are twice as fast than the upcoming XBX.
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There is a 1.87TF difference (12.15 - 10.28). The clockspeeds and early leaks suggest this is really a 9TF machine, with boosts up to 10.3TF under low loads for marketing. Yes TF is just a calculation, but they will be using the same architecture from AMD so in this instance the difference will be fairly representative of performance. In a best case scenario XBOX will have an 18.19% faster GPU and an 8.57% faster CPU. More realistically, if the PS5 is a 9TF machine under high load then the XBOX could be up to 35% faster. I think the 3.5GHz maximum clock speed is quite telling because it takes exponentially more thermal headroom to reach 3.8GHz on Zen 2, it seems likely that the XBOX's unconventional console design has allowed them to create a much more powerful machine and caught Sony off guard.
 
If you believe that they haven't both known each others targets for at least 2 years, I think you're a bit naive.

They just chose different targets, and in my view Sony's target is likely to be the better one given that it appears we're on the edge of a huge global recession.
 
pmc25 said:
If you believe that they haven't both known each others targets for at least 2 years, I think you're a bit naive.

They just chose different targets, and in my view Sony's target is likely to be the better one given that it appears we're on the edge of a huge global recession.
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I don't think the price will be that different, plus they are luxuries not necessities so I'm not sure even if they deliberately targeted the cheaper price it would make much difference.
 
Noxia said:
I don't think the price will be that different, plus they are luxuries not necessities so I'm not sure even if they deliberately targeted the cheaper price it would make much difference.
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I implore you go to the GPU section here :P

pmc25 said:
If you believe that they haven't both known each others targets for at least 2 years, I think you're a bit naive.

They just chose different targets, and in my view Sony's target is likely to be the better one given that it appears we're on the edge of a huge global recession.
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Yep. Personally liking the PS5 more because of the exclusives, the ability to add off the shelves M.2s and the 3d sound.
Games will come optimised for it and I do not care less if MS is 2TF better. I want it to go with my PSVR and possibly PSVR2. Things the XBX doesn't support nor has said anything that would support.
 
Ah well, series X it is then for me + keep the ps4 for Final Fantasy , TLOU :)

I was really hoping to see the form factor too, very let down by that presentation.
 
pmc25 said:
If you believe that they haven't both known each others targets for at least 2 years, I think you're a bit naive.

They just chose different targets, and in my view Sony's target is likely to be the better one given that it appears we're on the edge of a huge global recession.
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It's not naive to think that they wouldn't have had reliable information about each other's console before it was too late to change it. I certainly don't think Sony would have knowingly allowed Microsoft to have an advantage of at least 18% (likely more), as that is substantial enough for many people (including myself) to switch console this generation.
 
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It's not the raster performance alone that's a big deal, it's the RTRT performance where MS is gonna wallop Sony like you won't believe. What Cerny is saying is right, it's easier to make use of frequency compared to ALU occupancy and overall shader use (hence why the Vega beast wasn't as strong in games as it was in compute otherwise), BUT what he's not saying is that it's precisely going to these higher resolutions & RTRT performance where you can make most use of wide designs! Don't be surprised when Xbox RTRT performance is gonna be 50% better than Playstation's, especially since they rely so heavily on boost which is exactly what RTRT is gonna hit. It hits everything hard, that's why when you look at 2080 ti performance and power usage ray tracing off vs on the difference is big. It hits core, it hits bandwidth, it even hits CPU hard! And it guzzles memory like you wouldn't believe.
Something I haven't heard Sony talk about which is also be very important: VRS. I would be dumb founded if they'd not have it but I'm just surprised they didn't mention it.

Amusingly, in terms of graphics the biggest difference is actually going to be made by the autoHDR on Xbox, for non-native HDR games. THAT's a game changer. I'm thinking in particular of Control, if you ever get to the furnace section, now just imagine that scene mapping to 10000 nits properly. Sublime. ;)

The more I look at it, the more PS5 is missing. Damn!
 
Why did i have a feeling they was only going to reveal its specs yet not show us what the console is actually going to look like? why are they not showing us what it looks like yet :D
 
Still buying a PS5 an no interest in an Xbox. In the end it is all about the exclusives. The Xbox one's I can get on PC.
 
Haven't seen a presentation yet. But i do have a decent PC for gaming. As much as i would appreciate xbox performance, even if it's better then PS5. I will choose to go ps5 route. i do understand that i will need to upgrade my gpu to catch up with xbox. But in my eyes, if you've got a good gaming pc, why bother with xbox, it's the same, same games, just a different os. Where ps is a bit of a different matter, i liked my ps3, and now ps4 pro that i have is giving me a very good gaming experience when i'm at my parents place hooking up ps4 to a telly and just having a good gaming session, and then, i even don't miss my pc. With new consoles graphics is going to get even better, so difference between PS5, Xbox, and PC will disappear. it's kinda shame that in the time a had ps4 pro i needed to upgrade my gpu, where ps4 just always gave me a good experience. I see a difference in graphic quality, but does it matter that much, i would say no. It's not like in old days, when pc surpassed any console by a big margin in graphics. Good times for us gamers.
 
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