The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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You mean...GD shirley?

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Don't forget this is SC, though you're right

It's GD...

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So just to recap - no Elon didn't serve on the Twitter board in the end.

No, Tesla wasn't founded in 2021, they've been working on this robot for a year - something people were skeptical about.

And no, it's not SC, you've even managed to get that wrong.
 
I'm fairly certain the opposite is what was said.

Did you read the second paragraph of his post?

Irish Tom literally asks "what's the fuss", and dowie replies with why there's a fuss in dowie's view.

The argument was clearly "they haven't been working on it as long and look where they already are"
You mean "If Tesla nails the software/training aspects for this thing they could progress further quite rapidly and they've got a good ML team so I'd not discount it."?

So a company could "progress further rapidly" is a controversial thing to say now?
 
You mean "If Tesla nails the software/training aspects for this thing they could progress further quite rapidly and they've got a good ML team so I'd not discount it."?

So a company could "progress further rapidly" is a controversial thing to say now?

Not particularly, but he's getting desperate for something to pick up on after his previous attempt failed and seems to be sperging out over whatever he can at this point.
 
Re: a previous point about Elon's interests diverting from the board I'd assumed that was fairly obvious but perhaps people weren't paying attention - these tweets should make it clear, the general comments on how Twitter is run seem to be aimed at both the public and shareholders (currently it's not in good hands - I'm making a generous offer) other comments have been aimed at shareholders. The interests of the rest of the board aren't necessarily in alignment:


 
So he agreed to join the board and not buy more than 14% of the stock but all the time his real intention was to take Twitter private. So he was LARPing at accepting a board place and not buying more than 14% and the board were LARPing at voting him on to the board. Man every where you look people are LARPing. Either that or dowie is in the thread.
 
I think I get why Apex was confused, he's seemingly unaware of the criticism at the time of the announcement last year so lacking all context he's just kicked off in his usual style. Control theory isn't some new field btw and they're still using it today.

See some early reaction from the Engineering community when this was initially announced a year ago here:

I mean that Musk showed some illustrations and talked about his vision for the robot, which struck me as, let's say, somewhat naïve. Based on the content of a six-minute long presentation, it seems as though Musk believes that someone (Tesla, suddenly?) should just go make an autonomous humanoid robot already—like, the technology exists, so why not do it?

To be fair, Musk did go out and do more or less much exactly that for electric cars and reusable rockets. But humanoid robots are much different, and much more complicated.

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I feel like I have a pretty good handle on the current state of the art in humanoid robotics, and if you visit this site regularly, you probably do too. Companies like Boston Dynamics and Agility Robotics have been working on robots that can navigate through human environments for literally decades, and it's still a super hard problem. I don't know why Musk thinks that he can suddenly do better.

1 year later he's got a walking prototype... sure it's not as good as the Boston Dynamics prototypes (yet) but that's pretty promising after just 1 year ergo:

Tesla got to that stage in just a year, Boston Dynamics has taken a three decades to get to where they are mostly using control theory (they're not big on AI/ML AFAIK).

If Tesla nails the software/training aspects for this thing they could progress further quite rapidly and they've got a good ML team so I'd not discount it.
 
Eh? Who said they were founded in 2021? They've been working on this robot for 1 year
Lol

You said Boston dynamics were working on their robot for decades, and based that on their founding date.

Tesla you say were working on their robot for 1 year, and based that not on their founding date, but their announcement date.

Bendy figures indeed.
 
You said Boston dynamics were working on their robot for decades, and based that on their founding date.

Tesla you say were working on their robot for 1 year, and based that not on their founding date, but their announcement date.

I didn't think this needed to be explained but:

Boston Dynamics is a robotics company; they've been working on robots since they were founded.

Tesla is largely a car company, they've been working on this robot for one year.
 
I didn't think this needed to be explained but:

Boston Dynamics is a robotics company; they've been working on robots since they were founded.

Tesla is largely a car company, they've been working on this robot for one year.
They have been working on that for much longer than one year. Still closer to coming to market than their truck though.
 
They have been working on that for much longer than one year. Still closer to coming to market than their truck though.

When did they start working on it? AFAIK they had a basic idea of what they wanted to build and were just putting the team together last August both via external recruitment and by borrowing people from the autopilot team, it doesn't seem like this project has existed for much longer than that.
 
Tesla created a functional bi-pedal robot prototype in just one year and unveiled it at AI Day. The expected cost of Optimus is around $20,000 and could be on sale in as little as four years.

At AI Day #1, held in August 2021, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said that the company intends to start manufacturing robots. An actor dressed in a tight suit resembling a robot entered the stage and danced a funny dance, amusing the audience. This caused a wave of skepticism among those, who did not believe that Tesla would be able to present something usable in the coming years.

During Cyber Rodeo—the Giga Texas launch party held in April 2022—Musk said the Optimus prototype could be completed by the end of 2022, with the first version in production in 2023. These were very bold assumptions, receiving criticism from both laymen as well as specialists in the field. Obviously, Tesla is considered by many as a car company, so all other directions in which it develops (by leaps and bounds, by the way) are often simply not taken into account.

When Musk pushed back AI Day by one month to unveil the Optimus prototype, it was also met with skepticism and disbelief. However, a little over a year after it was first mentioned, Musk did indeed unveil a working prototype of a bi-pedal robot, surprising skeptics. Tesla has once again proved that it has great potential and is able to do what others consider impossible to do, at least in such a short time.

That's the key point - they only announced the intent to try to build a prototype a year ago, they were met with a load of skepticism, Elon even said at the time that it might not work... 1 year later they've got a working prototype. sure it's not as good at Boston Dynamics but they've been working on robots for 30 years, Tesla has gone from concept to putting a team together and building a prototype in circa 1 year.

That's both impressive and quite encouraging that they might well get a working product out of this (though it is a hard challenge still). I'm not quite sure why people are trying to nitpick over this.
 
Very simple minded of you.

Even more simple minded.

You don't understand simple things it seems I've learnt a lot about you today and it explains why you have the views you end up with

Where is the lie? You're now making no sense at all, you've asked me about some mundane point multiple times, I've answered you and then you reply with that nonsense???

Did you understand my answer to your earlier question here too:


You seem to have gone remarkably quite about that one after your attempted dunk didn't work out.
 
Autonomous driving if they crack that (still way off) and the associated hardware/algorithms got a lot of parallels with robotics so they weren't exactly starting from scratch,
although I though they significantly rationalised their worldwide/eu software teams this year.
 
Absolutely, they've utilised the autopilot team, they're using the same computer essentially... people were skeptical of it but they've got the right sort of expertise in place to have a good shot at pulling it off and 1 year later it's actually quite impressive they've got a prototype like that.
 
Where is the lie? You're now making no sense at all, you've asked me about some mundane point multiple times, I've answered you and then you reply with that nonsense???

Did you understand my answer to your earlier question here too:


You seem to have gone remarkably quite about that one after your attempted dunk didn't work out.
What arr you barking on about. I presented no evidence, just that colonel did and then you brushed past it, so wanted you to present your side back. What dunk was there attempted. I didn't present the evidence that you were wrong. You understand how these things work. It really to you didn't it that you tried to brush past it and it wasn't allowed of you, after you've made the point and brought it up for post after post.

Any now of course you go back to your usual "you're not making any sense" as you do with everyone in here.

I swear if you search these forums and put your name and the word "I'm lost, no sense etc" you'll get an endless list of posts were you get stuck with people coming back to your nonsense and then this being your last resort.

Your were literally asked to put your side across rather than brush past it, and now you struggle to understand this simple thing as imagine it to be some spam dunk.

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