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No just looking for a free horse.
The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down
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No just looking for a free horse.
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He’s still charging them for it, some over $4k a month, and he’s now asking the US Government to pay him for it too. He’s not been impacted by this one little bit, it’s just his way of getting into the news again like the narcissist he is.
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I think he's concerned about the threat of nuclear war, that directly impacts him and all of us
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That’s a meaningless statement - everyone is concerned about the threat of nuclear war, Elon is no different from the rest of us and nothing he says has any more effect on the conflict than anything I’d say.
Actually, given I’m in the military that might not technically be true…
That's just false.
This was covered earlier how are people still unable to understand that Starlink doesn't involve a single terminal and a single bill?
There are multiple terminals provided, that others have bought some and are paying Starlink for them doesn't negate that Starlink has provided some and covered the costs of those terminals.
The impact for him is, apparently, circa $100 million of costs to Starlink (of which he owns nearly 50%) and increased personal risk to himself.
He would like the Pentagon to take over the ongoing costs, that's not an unreasonable request nor does it negate the previous donations, most of the other US companies providing equipment or support to Ukraine are not doing it for free but are being paid and the US is allocating plenty of funds for this.
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I'm honestly thinking he's attempting to get the US gov involved in this. He can say he tried to buy Twitter but the government blocked it. Might even get him out of the $1b clause. TBH something like Twitter shouldn't be privately owned. No one person should have that much power of something like Twitter.
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DO you honestly think there is going to be a nuclear war? We managed to get through the whole Cold War without it happening but now Putin is mentioning it everyone is wetting in their pants. Sorry I just don't buy it.
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I don't know whether there is going to be a nuclear war, I think the threat of a nuclear war this year or next year is many times higher than it has been for my entire life time. Nothing is more important than avoiding nuclear war as it will damage the species more than any other event in human history, billions would die. I think if you aren't concerned about the potential for that then you basically aren't a very switched on individual, but we already know that.
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Putin might be stupid, insane and living in his own self-important world enough to order it, but as to whether his troops would carry it out? I very much doubt it.
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I grew up in the cold war so don't be giving it the "oh this is the biggest threat" crap. Putin isn't suicidal and neither are the others in charge there, they've all got families and MAD works just as well today as it did in the 60s and 70s. My god you put yourself across as some alpha male but really you've zero spine to stand up to a bully. Fortunately the US, EU and UK leadership are showing some backbone unlike yourself and have drawn a line in the sand along with Ukraine. You clearly would be happy for us to just let Putin steamroller Ukraine and then what? Appeasement when he makes moves into Moldova? And then he needs better access to Kaliningrad so he annexes part of Lithuania. Putin is a bully and you either stand up to a bully or they keep taking more.
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Its like MAD suddenly isn't a thing anymore. Parts of the younger generation have either gone soft or stupid, maybe a bit of both.
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Lol!
Where is that captain America "I got that reference" gif when you need it.
It's impressive how many users laugh at him in this thread, but the desire to keep defending Elon is just so strong.
And how does he defend Elon? By saying "wHaT dO YoU dO?" like it's some how relevant
You don't have to believe there is going to be a nuclear war in order to be concerned about the risks of one! People seem to miss that point rather a lot too.
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So we live in fear and cave to Putin? An asteroid might wipe us all out tomorrow, you might get hit by lightening, you could have an aneurism and fall down dead, your neighbour might have a mental breakdown and stab you or set fire to your house. A million things might happen. There are things that are worth worrying about like the state of our government and the incoming recession, nuclear war is way way down the list.
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Nope, that doesn't necessarily follow. The point was simply re: the risk.
Say you previously believed nuclear war had a 0.0-whatever % chance but now believed it had a 5% chance that would be pretty significant! You don't need to believe it's going to happen in order for it to be a concern, your belief is still that it's very likely not going to happen however you believe the risk of it happening has increased substantially.
You might update further, say given tactical nukes are used & NATO responds conventionally perhaps your belief then is that all-out nuclear war has a 20% chance of occurring, that would also be a concern.
Why do you think we're not rushing to give modern fast jets, tanks and longer-range missiles to Ukraine (yet)?
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Because we're hoping they can win without them, some take months if not years of training and we are trying if possible not to get sucked into it directly.
I don't buy the premise that nuclear war risk has risen to a point that it is a concern because MAD. Has that suddenly disappeared? What makes you think Putin will just go "**** it" lets turn Russia and Europe into nuclear waste ground? I don't buy the 20% chance of it happening, you can throw any figures around if some theoretical scenario happens. I don't believe it will and caving to Putin's empty threats would be a terrible mistake.
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Nope, that's false, we could have supplied them by now if we'd wanted, there are Ukrainian pilots who've served on exchange, there are others who could have been converted, there were Polish MiGs that could have been sent too but the US said no.
Ukraine - time to fast track front line fighter pilot training? - Royal Aeronautical Society
Could Ukrainian fighter pilots be trained on western combat aircraft in record time? A former senior RAF commander, fast jet pilot and current President of the Air & Space Power Association, AM GREG BAGWELL offers a personal view on how Kyiv's desperate battle for survival against overwhelming...
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^^^ he's experienced enough to comment, I'm going to take his word for it.
Likewise, what's stopping the long-range missiles? There is no reason they're not capable of operating ATACMS missiles from HIMARS (why doesn't that argument apply to them operating all the other missiles they have been operating from HIMARS/M270s???). Ditto to modern tanks?
The fact is we're being cautious re: possible escalation risks, there was a big push at the start to market assistance as "defensive aid" those were the words used, German even blocked basic things like artillery from Estonia.
OK but clearly the people in charge are concerned about escalation else there wouldn't be restrictions.
In fact, it's pretty obvious that if a non-nuclear power had done this we'd have intervened ourselves let alone just supplying training, intelligence support and (limited) weapon types.
Anyway, this is going off topic a bit as this thread is about Elon I think he's a bit wrong re: his approach, attitude and public statements but not wrong to have some concern about risk or indeed a plausible outcome of this, my comment was mostly just the point I made re: risks, simply that the risk increasing or being of concern doesn't mean you necessarily believe it's going to happen (or is particularly likely) it's just there are a severe enough set of scenarios we really don't want to happen, not just full on MAD but also more limited nuclear attacks/conventional responses or even limited nuclear exchanges. (Happy to discuss further in the Ukraine thread if you like)
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Nope, that's false, we could have supplied them by now if we'd wanted, there are Ukrainian pilots who've served on exchange, there are others who could have been converted, there were Polish MiGs that could have been sent too but the US said no.
Ukraine - time to fast track front line fighter pilot training? - Royal Aeronautical Society
Could Ukrainian fighter pilots be trained on western combat aircraft in record time? A former senior RAF commander, fast jet pilot and current President of the Air & Space Power Association, AM GREG BAGWELL offers a personal view on how Kyiv's desperate battle for survival against overwhelming...
^^^ he's experienced enough to comment, I'm going to take his word for it.
Likewise, what's stopping the long-range missiles? There is no reason they're not capable of operating ATACMS missiles from HIMARS (why doesn't that argument apply to them operating all the other missiles they have been operating from HIMARS/M270s???). Ditto to modern tanks?
The fact is we're being cautious re: possible escalation risks, there was a big push at the start to market assistance as "defensive aid" those were the words used, German even blocked basic things like artillery from Estonia.
OK but clearly the people in charge are concerned about escalation else there wouldn't be restrictions.
In fact, it's pretty obvious that if a non-nuclear power had done this we'd have intervened ourselves let alone just supplying training, intelligence support and (limited) weapon types.
Anyway, this is going off topic a bit as this thread is about Elon I think he's a bit wrong re: his approach, attitude and public statements but not wrong to have some concern about risk or indeed a plausible outcome of this, my comment was mostly just the point I made re: risks, simply that the risk increasing or being of concern doesn't mean you necessarily believe it's going to happen (or is particularly likely) it's just there are a severe enough set of scenarios we really don't want to happen, not just full on MAD but also more limited nuclear attacks/conventional responses or even limited nuclear exchanges. (Happy to discuss further in the Ukraine thread if you like)
The whole point of this is Roar parroting Musk. Some of Musk's tweets and replies to tweets are just alarmist nonsense. And bantering with a man who took part in mass murder isn't funny. Musk seems to think everything that happens on Twitter is a joke, its his playground to do and say what he wants and what he says carries zero consequences.
I hope the US Gov does get involved and blocks the sale, he's not responsible enough to own Twitter. IMO it should remain a public company and not be in the hands of any individual. Sadly I don't think they will.
It is in the hands of individuals, people are moderating content and banning users, it just so happens that you share those views so you don't want Musk to own Twitter because you're terrified of people being able to share their views online
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