The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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dowie said:
Seems he's quite keen to stamp out the impersonators:





Eh? I've already discussed the very thing you're asking about in this thread as I already pointed out.

Where was I rubbishing its value in that context?

Do you not think the increased visibility of tweets/replies has value for example?
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And in the process stop one of the things a lot of people (who were verified) did and their followers often seemed to enjoy, things like seasonal or topical partial name changes (where they'd add in something).

So yeah good job there, it's going to stop some of the fun, make it harder to tell who is actually verified, but still not actually improve the situation given the new blue tick doesn't require verification.

He's making things worse whilst trying to solve a problem he's made worse to begin with, and doing it in part because he's upset people dared mock him and point out how worthless a blue tick system is when there isn't any check or moderation.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Honestly think before you post

Do you honestly think there is no way for a company representative to prove its them.
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Yes and they probably won't use a form of ID? lol

"Honestly think before you post" jesus

Werewolf said:
And in the process stop one of the things a lot of people (who were verified) did and their followers often seemed to enjoy, things like seasonal or topical partial name changes (where they'd add in something).

So yeah good job there, it's going to stop some of the fun, make it harder to tell who is actually verified, but still not actually improve the situation given the new blue tick doesn't require verification.

He's making things worse whilst trying to solve a problem he's made worse to begin with, and doing it in part because he's upset people dared mock him and point out how worthless a blue tick system is when there isn't any check or moderation.
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Oh no, not seasonal or topical name changes! Anyways
 
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mattx4 said:
I've seen estimates that the content moderation and verification team at Twitter was around 1,500. So how does Elon cut this without it turning into a cesspit.
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what you're perfectly highlighting is that the creators have to pay to solve the issue for elon.

we all know youtube comments were a load of trash (still are in many ways). imagine youtube charging those who create the videos to solve the issue of junk comments.

madness
 
Werewolf said:
He's making things worse whilst trying to solve a problem he's made worse to begin with, and doing it in part because he's upset people dared mock him and point out how worthless a blue tick system is when there isn't any check or moderation.
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his mistake was thinking that it was a good idea to tie these charges to the blue tick. it should have always been a totally new thing. leave the blue tick doing what it does. i imagine the reason elon has tied it to the blue tick is because of the status symbol that the blue tick had for celebs, it's now available for peasants too, and that he thought celebs would pay to keep their blue tick, but less likely to have their free blue tick and then pay for a green one,

that clearly isn't the outcome and not the reaction he thought. he has lost control even faster than liz truss. very impressive.
 
unwashed potato! said:
his mistake was thinking that it was a good idea to tie these charges to the blue tick. it should have always been a totally new thing. leave the blue tick doing what it does. i imagine the reason elon has tied it to the blue tick is because of the status symbol that the blue tick had for celebs, it's now available for peasants too, and that he thought celebs would pay to keep their blue tick, but less likely to have their free blue tick and then pay for a green one,

that clearly isn't the outcome and not the reaction he thought. he has lost control even faster than liz truss. very impressive.
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don't go all woke with your green tick ;)
 
Werewolf said:
And you're making the exact arguement that I'm trying to make FOR verification with your "but people with a tick impersonated other accounts that's how scams were tried", except that before the paid for tick to do it you had to either manage to get verified when the criteria required was a lot more than "here take my money" and usually required hacking into someone's account...
Now to do a blue tick scam all you need is someone's card number.
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Yes I am making an argument for verification (no I wouldn't agree that some mountain bike journalist is particularly notable there are unverified substackers with many multiples of the 400 followers for example, it's just print media vs new in that case), the difference is I think it's correct that it is broadened and no you don't just need a card number, he's using iOS ID + implementing harsher penalties for impersonation + temp removing the verification if you change your name, that seems like an improvement IMO.

Werewolf said:
And in the process stop one of the things a lot of people (who were verified) did and their followers often seemed to enjoy, things like seasonal or topical partial name changes (where they'd add in something).
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It's always been against the rules though if you don't make it clear that it's a parody, I thought there was an important court case about impersonation...

The change there is simply the penalty for it.
 
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dowie said:
If you don't see any value in it then you don't need to buy it, I'm not here to sell it to you.

Apple ID required + lose blue checkmark temporarily if you change name + Perma ban for impersonation... it seems to me like they're finally taking it a bit more seriously.
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I'm not asking you to ramble off the topic for example a deviation about "buying it", I'm asking you to justify what you were happy to say, that you believe big accounts without a blue tick would benefit because verification was being improved.

The fact that it's been about 5 posts of essentially saying "what?" means you've been googling hard, it's always the case.

Out of all the things you've scraped up there most of it is not verification related. The trial for selling Twitter subs through the apple store to IOS customers doesn't verify you. You buy a subscription to a Blue Twitter account, get a badge and congrats, now you can choose whatever name you want and it will have a blue tick next to it.

There is no verification step. It's all gone and the blue tick is a premium account for the purposes of making some petty cash.
 
Hotwired said:
I'm not asking you to ramble off the topic for example a deviation about "buying it", I'm asking you to justify what you were happy to say, that you believe big accounts without a blue tick would benefit because verification was being improved.

The fact that it's been about 5 posts of essentially saying "what?" means you've been googling hard, it's always the case.
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Eh? I've discussed verification already in the thread if you just scroll back. I'm not sure what you really want at this point, you don't think it offers much, fine... that's your opinion, I don't share it, it doesn't mean you need to keep on pestering me because I don't have the same view as you.

Hotwired said:
You buy a subscription to a Blue Twitter account, get a badge and congrats, now you can choose whatever name you want and it will have a blue tick next to it.
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And if you change that to impersonate someone else the blue badge disappears + you risk getting permanently suspended... and that's linked to your iOS ID.
 
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Roar87 said:
What kind of ID can verify that you work for a company that can't be easily replicated?
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The ones I have had to do for finance based transactions have varied.

The last I did involved company email address, plus some personal ID (partially redacted), and then another email was sent to another individual in my company to validate the personal data was in fact me.
The first person had to go through a slightly more onerous process with some more checks.

I've done one where I had a choice of a number of options, one of which was to go and stand in front of a company logo via video link, they tend to be multi level much like personal id checks
 
Hotwired said:
I'm not asking you to ramble off the topic for example a deviation about "buying it", I'm asking you to justify what you were happy to say, that you believe big accounts without a blue tick would benefit because verification was being improved.

The fact that it's been about 5 posts of essentially saying "what?" means you've been googling hard, it's always the case.

Out of all the things you've scraped up there most of it is not verification related. The trial for selling Twitter subs through the apple store to IOS customers doesn't verify you. You buy a subscription to a Blue Twitter account, get a badge and congrats, now you can choose whatever name you want and it will have a blue tick next to it.

There is no verification step. It's all gone and the blue tick is a premium account for the purposes of making some petty cash.
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dowie said:
Eh? I've discussed verification already in the thread if you just scroll back. I'm not sure what you really want at this point, you don't think it offers much, fine... that's your opinion, I don't share it, it doesn't mean you need to keep on pestering me because I don't have the same view as you.
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I'm making sure I didn't miss anything about the verification. When you said it was improved I was highly doubtful and I'm keen to hear what verification improvements you were aware of. Sacking many of the humans doing the moderation and lowering the bar to merely having $8 is very damaging to any verification having a blue tick ever implied.

Even the punishments, how bad can it possibly be to get a $8 account banned for life compared to losing a tediously obtained old blue tick account. I guess that means finding another $8 now.

You've given me the run around and that seems to be all you had to back up the words you wrote about verification being improved.
 
Hotwired said:
I'm making sure I didn't miss anything about the verification. When you said it was improved I was highly doubtful and I'm keen to hear what verification improvements you were aware of. Sacking many of the humans doing the moderation and lowering the bar to merely having $8 is very damaging to any verification having a blue tick ever implied.

Even the punishments, how bad can it possibly be to get a $8 account banned for life compared to losing a tediously obtained old blue tick account. I guess that means finding another $8 now.

You've given me the run around and that seems to be all you had to back up the words you wrote about verification being improved.
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Again I disagree, I've not given you the run around I've been quite clear about my position here, you simply disagree.

It's not just losing $8 though, you seem fixated on this "stealing $8" thing etc. I mean the current situation for most people is that any account can simply change their name and impersonate you.

So now verification will be broadened there are steeper penalties for impersonation (perma ban not just a warning) an d it's linked to your iOS or Andriod ID.

If you don't like that then fine... that's up to you but to feign ignorance and keep on pestering me because you simply disagree with me then complain about it is getting rather silly.
 
Kenai said:
So the new $8 tier is only going to be available on iOS to start with?

That's an interesting aside I hadn't noticed from any reporting so far.
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Yup seems so:

www.npr.org

Twitter begins advertising a paid verification plan for $8 per month

Twitter is advertising a new paid feature: receiving a blue check mark noting account verification. The company is delaying launch until after midterm elections over misinformation fears.
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An update to the Twitter app on iOS devices in the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the U.K. said that users who sign up now can receive the blue check[...]

Android phones are next in line for the subscription rollout, she added, without specifying the timing.[...]

"Far too many legacy 'verified' checkmarks were handed out, often arbitrarily, so in reality they are *not* verified," he wrote. "You can buy as many as you want right now with a Google search. Piggybacking off payment system plus Apple/Android is a much better way to ensure verification."
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