The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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We've gone from orange man bad to rich man bad

That orange man was, objectively, bad.

Lying about the election being stole has far reaching consequences for American democracy.


Kari Lake, 53, is Arizona’s ultra-Christian conservative candidate for governor and the former television-anchor turned politician


As most Republicans in 2022, Lake is staunchly anti-abortion, hyper-critical of the media, and a vocal advocate for the second amendment

But most significantly, Lake is an election denier and won’t pledge to accept the election results on 8 November, which means Arizona could be in for another very, very long election night.


“I believe that the [2020] elections were stolen,” says voter Sam Walker, from North Carolina. “I know in my gut that Trump had the support of the American people.”

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She lives with her husband Rick and their two children in the rural area of Johnston County.

She and Rick have been feeling the pain of the US economic crisis - they’re both working two jobs and Sam grows her own vegetables to help with their rocketing food bills.

They believe Joe Biden is responsible for the country’s economic problems, and they are eager for Trump to run for president again in 2024.
 
No, I stated they're not all notable people.

Yes, it is.

It used to be 400k accounts now it's likely to be more... that's an increase no?

You can get a Netflix subscription with a stolen credit card too, it won't necessarily last. I'm not sure what your point is here? People can steal things?

You'd need credit card access, someone's apple iOS ID and you instantly lose verification if you change the account name... and people tend to report stolen credit cards or reset stolen iOS IDs.

I mean sure that will happen no doubt as it happens to any service, people steal things, defraud others etc..

400k accounts with what dowie.

Remember the topic is verification which you believe will be improved for those big accounts that don't have a tick.

Let me say the example for a fourth time. I can obtain a blue tick for $8 of stolen money and have the same blue tick as that big account. What is the improvement in verification you said.

I'm not inviting you to ramble about stealing things, this is about the verification improvement you believe those big accounts without a tick will get.

What is the verification improvement.
 
Remember the topic is verification which you believe will be improved for those big accounts that don't have a tick.

Yes, it will be, if they want.

Let me say the example for a fourth time. I can obtain a blue tick for $8 of stolen money and have the same blue tick as that big account. What is the improvement in verification you said.

I'm not inviting you to ramble about stealing things, this is about the verification improvement you believe those big accounts without a tick will get.

What is the verification improvement.

What does whether you paid for a blue tick with $8 you earned or $8 you stole have to do with anything?
 
I'm guessing it'll have KYC wrapped up with it, which will provide the ID

They've not said anything about ID AFAIK, it's piggybacking off iOS ID for verification + tightening rules on impersonation - an instant perm ban for doing it + if you change the name of a verified account the blue tick disappears temporarily. That latter feature would seem to solve the current issue of existing blue checkmark accounts being changed to use for scams.
 
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They've not said anything about ID AFAIK, it's piggybacking off iOS ID for verification + tightening rules on impersonation - an instant perm ban for doing it + if you change the name of a verified account the blue tick disappears temporarily. That latter feature would seem to solve the current issue of existing blue checkmark accounts being changed to use for scams.

No, but the payment itself will have KYC. If the need to find someone who is threatening/scamming etc etc, it all becomes easier when you have payments attached
 
No, but the payment itself will have KYC. If the need to find someone who is threatening/scamming etc etc, it all becomes easier when you have payments attached

Yup indeed, apple ID is attached too, it's not foolproof but currently, there are multiple big accounts being impersonated without verification + some verified accounts being impersonated and twitter has been historically bad at dealing with it.
 
It matters because that is all the verification I need. Being able to send Twitter $8. I now get a blue tick.

I say again what is the verification improvement.

If you don't see any value in it then you don't need to buy it, I'm not here to sell it to you.

Apple ID required + lose blue checkmark temporarily if you change name + Perma ban for impersonation... it seems to me like they're finally taking it a bit more seriously.
 
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Yup indeed, apple ID is attached too, it's not foolproof but currently, there are multiple big accounts being impersonated without verification + some verified accounts being impersonated and twitter has been historically bad at dealing with it.

No, won't be foolproof. But it'll certainly create an extra layer of defence to unwanted behaviour
 
You all need to think about why Elon is doing this

I've seen estimates that the content moderation and verification team at Twitter was around 1,500. So how does Elon cut this without it turning into a cesspit.

One option is to allow people to buy a higher status on Twitter so thier tweets are promoted over the bots and spammers. He's banking on that bot farms and scammers won't buy the
bluetick and the users that do buy it will self moderate themselves as it's linked to thier real id hence less moderation required and the cesspit is so many pages deep you don't see it.

The side benefit is he also gets your real data from the banking link and advertisers will pay more if they can directly target certain demographics.

Obviously there will be issues with fraud etc but the problem he's trying to solve is to stop uncle Billy bob's racist tweets ending up on page one next to a companies ad.
 
This is just false, there are circa 400,000 blue checkmark accounts already, they're not all "notable" people, some are almost instantly given because someone works as a journalist for some publication no matter how small for example.

People with a tick impersonated other accounts! This is how several "Elon" crypto scams were attempted.

Secondly, there are plenty of big accounts without the tick which can be impersonated by anyone. A general increase in at least some verification for them (and anyone who wants it) and a crack down on impersonation seems like a good idea!
A journalist IS a notable person though, at least if they're working for say a large news organisation.

Most blue ticks were people like actors, authors, companies...

And you're making the exact arguement that I'm trying to make FOR verification with your "but people with a tick impersonated other accounts that's how scams were tried", except that before the paid for tick to do it you had to either manage to get verified when the criteria required was a lot more than "here take my money" and usually required hacking into someone's account...
Now to do a blue tick scam all you need is someone's card number.

And good luck with twitter cracking down on impersonation when they've got rid of most of their staff, including the people whose job used to be to deal with scams and verify users properly.
 
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