The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

[mrk]

Not quite sure why dowie is stapling two parts of a reply as one whole part, I did say they are far right, which they are as shown above (and everywhere else for anyone to see publicly), I did say the texts did ask Musk to buy Twitter because she didn't like what was being posted and that by buying it the narrative can be controlled. Both of these statements are true on their own.

And as noted above, the loony factor is clear there too, the far right are the ones being loony with conspiracy theories, pushing violence, calling acts of domestic terror "fake" etc along with misinformation. All of this is now being allowed on twitter under the guise of free speech. Yet at the same time this free speech is inconsistent as the quoted links above show. Musk is deleting tweets and so far has only unbanned selective accounts, not all banned accounts - If it was all about free speech then all accounts would be unbanned, not just a handful of top accounts that /he/ feels are worthy.

Likewise him taking part in commentary with far-right users on the network, also as shown in the quoted links above.

 

[dowie]

Not quite sure why dowie is stapling two parts of a reply as one whole part, I did say they are far right, which they are as shown above (and everywhere else for anyone to see publicly), I did say the texts did ask Musk to buy Twitter because she didn't like what was being posted. Both of these statements are true on their own.

Where? You still haven't clarified despite being asked more than once now. No one objected to claims that she didn't like what was being posted, how does that make her far right?

Did you see the texts between him and hiw ex wife from while ago that was posted? They are firmly in the conspiracy/strong man camp - Aka far right.

I've now posted the text messages, which of the text messages illustrate that they're "far right"?

It's clearly a BS claim, the texts are there for anyone to read so I guess it's an open question to anyone else too.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Well, that seems like a likely reason for why he deleted it.

Is he really that impulsive? How the **** did he end up this wealthy if he can't think past the next 10 minutes? I wonder if in 5 years time everyone will look back at how the richest man in the world blew it all in a record amount if time. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

[mattx4]

He's got a mixed bag of views. From wiki

Within the context of American politics, Musk has described himself as being politically moderate.[1][2][3] Musk supported George W. Bush in 2004, Barack Obama in 2012, Hillary Clinton in 2016, and Joe Biden in 2020.[4][5] In 2022, Musk said he would start voting for Republican Party candidates.[6][7][8][9] He supports universal basic income,[10] gun rights,[11] freedom of speech,[12] a tax on carbon emissions and opposes government subsidies.[13][14]

Musk is also a prominent critic of short-selling. Musk has expressed concern about issues such as artificial intelligence, climate change and population decline. He has also criticized COVID-19 lockdowns. Additionally, he has criticized public transportation. Musk is also a strong and convinced opposer of political correctness, cancel culture and puritanism, one of the main reasons he announced his switch to Republican.[15][16][17][18][19][9][8] Musk opposes labor unions.[20]

Clearly as a billionaire business owner he's going to align right for Economic views like low regulation, anti union and low tax.

Socially he also looks to align right with his anti pc views, gun rights and strangely enough anti government subsidies (considering Tesla benefits from these). Although he has a pretty far left view being pro universal basic income

Environment is where he leans a little left as he believes in climate change and pro carbon tax (this view is a little self serving)

Overall I think it's pretty clear he would be center right and somewhat anti authoritarian if you were to try and plot him on a US political compass (note US center is waaaaay further right than UK)

I think more recently his criticism of lockdowns and anti woke views have definitely made him seem a lot more far right than he actually is. I don't think he's an election denier, he's not a supporter of Christo fascists and doesn't seem to like Trump that much despite giving him his Twitter back

I don't think it's fair to bracket him as a far right nutjob. He's more of a billionaire, autist, man-child, troll

 

[imtoooldforthis]

I don't think it's fair to bracket him as a far right nutjob. He's more of a billionaire, autist, man-child, troll

This

 

[Flibster]

Saw this today from a SpaceX intern. Seems very much right. He's got no one to interpret or just say no.

I was an intern at SpaceX years ago, back it when it was a much smaller company — after Elon got hair plugs, but before his cult of personality was in full swing. I have some insight to offer here.
Back when I was at SpaceX, Elon was basically a child king. He was an important figurehead who provided the company with the money, power, and PR, but he didn’t have the knowledge or (frankly) maturity to handle day-to-day decision making and everyone knew that. He was surrounded by people whose job was, essentially, to manipulate him into making good decisions.
Managing Elon was a huge part of the company culture. Even I, as a lowly intern, would hear people talking about it openly in meetings. People knew how to present ideas in a way that would resonate with him, they knew how to creatively reinterpret (or ignore) his many insane demands, and they even knew how to “stage manage” parts of the physical office space so that it would appeal to Elon.
The funniest example of “stage management” I can remember is this dude on the IT security team. He had a script running in a terminal on one of his monitors that would output random garbage, Matrix-style, so that it always looked like he was doing Important Computer Things to anyone who walked by his desk. Second funniest was all the people I saw playing WoW at their desks after ~5pm, who did it in the office just to give the appearance that they were working late.
People were willing to do that at SpaceX because Elon was giving them the money (and hype) to get into outer space, a mission people cared deeply about. The company also grew with and around Elon. There were layers of management between individual employees and Elon, and those managers were experienced managers of Elon. Again, I cannot stress enough how much of the company culture was oriented around managing this one guy.
Twitter has neither of those things going for it. There is no company culture or internal structure around the problem of managing Elon Musk, and I think for the first time we’re seeing what happens when people actually take that man seriously and at face value. Worse, they’re doing this little experiment after this man has had decades of success at companies that dedicate significant resources to protecting themselves from him, and he’s too narcissistic to realize it.
This post is long so I’ll leave you with my favorite Elon story. One day at work, I got an all hands email telling me that it was Elon’s birthday and there was going to be a mandatory surprise party for him in the cafeteria. Presumably Elon also got this email, but whatever. We all marched down into the cafeteria, dimmed the lights, and waited. Elon was led out by his secretary (who he hadn’t fired yet) and made a big show of being fake surprised and touched that we were there. Then they wheeled out the cake.
OK, so, I want you to imagine the biggest penis cake you’ve ever seen. Like the king of novelty sex cakes. Only it’s frosted white, and the balls have been frosted to look like fire and smoke. This was Elon’s birthday “rocket” cake.
For as long as I live, I will never forget the look on everyone’s face — in that dark room of mostly-male engineers — when he made a wish and cut into the tip.

 

[dowie]

He's got a mixed bag of views

I don't think it's fair to bracket him as a far right nutjob.

Indeed that was the point, it's kind of ludicrous, there is seemingly an unhinged view that "free speech" or anti-woke positions are now somehow "far right" but I've never seen any advocates of it offer a coherent argument for it.

There is plenty of stuff people can criticise Elon for without making up dubious claims that simply can't be supported.

 

[StriderX]

Saw this today from a SpaceX intern. Seems very much right. He's got no one to interpret or just say no.

Sounds about right.

 

[FishFluff]

I don't think it's fair to bracket him as a far right nutjob.

Not yet anyway. He seems to be working his way down the pipeline though and we all get to watch it in real-time because he seemingly tweets his every waking thought like a 13 year old who thinks he’s very deep.

 

[D.P.]

Indeed that was the point, it's kind of ludicrous, there is seemingly an unhinged view that "free speech" or anti-woke positions are now somehow "far right" but I've never seen any advocates of it offer a coherent argument for it.

There is plenty of stuff people can criticise Elon for without making up dubious claims that simply can't be supported.

anti-woke is pretty much a definition of far right. Anti-woke stands or promoting racism, antisemitism, homophobia, sexism and social injustice.

Everyone should strive to be woke.

 

[D.P.]

Not yet anyway. He seems to be working his way down the pipeline though and we all get to watch it in real-time because he seemingly tweets his every waking thought like a 13 year old who thinks he’s very deep.

Exactly, not a far right nutjob at the moment but certainly seems to moving in that direction. He has jumped on various far right bandwagons like the anti-woke culture war nonsense and seems to be deluded by the same far right conspiracies

 

[Jono8]

Exactly, not a far right nutjob at the moment but certainly seems to moving in that direction. He has jumped on various far right bandwagons like the anti-woke culture war nonsense and seems to be deluded by the same far right conspiracies

Indeed. Ironically, twitter is melting his brain.

 

[StriderX]

I can sort of see his methodology being rational (wrt to his contrarianism) as a means to 'restore' the image of Twitter in the eyes of a significant chunk of potential consumers who'd written it off and so needs to exaggerate views as a means to attract them back before slinking off by hiring a caretaker to manage the business. Unfortunately for him if a content giant like YouTube can only directly monetise their site at a rate of 1-2% I can't really see Twitter doing any better so will still rely on ad revenue which is why he's constantly moaning about 'aCtIviSts' to try and deflect from the fact that his upheaval of the company is the reason the advertisers have stopped their campaigns.

Sort of wonder if it's like the metaverse for the Zucc, obsessed to the point of self-destruction.

 

[PlacidCasual]

@Flibster I have such a hard time believing that as a fair representation of the most successful rocket compeny on the planet. That sounds like a disfunctional one, not one that has revolutionised the entire industry. I genuinely doubt a company could be so successful and so revolutionary in a mature industry if the CEO was so incapable. For said CEO to also be simultaneously the head of the Worlds most valuable* car company in anther mature industry stretches credibility.

One has to ask whether the intern is just writing some wish fulfillment there.

*I wouldn't challenge any argument that Tesla is horrendously over valued by the way.

 

[StriderX]

All companies are dysfunctional at their core because they're run by people who aren't perfect.

 

[Jono8]

@Flibster I have such a hard time believing that as a fair representation of the most successful rocket compeny on the planet. That sounds like a disfunctional one, not one that has revolutionised the entire industry. I genuinely doubt a company could be so successful and so revolutionary in a mature industry if the CEO was so incapable. For said CEO to also be simultaneously the head of the Worlds most valuable* car company in anther mature industry stretches credibility.

One has to ask whether the intern is just writing some wish fulfillment there.

*I wouldn't challenge any argument that Tesla is horrendously over valued by the way.

Maybe, just maybe, what the CEO does can often be of little consequence because most of life is just complete and utter blind luck.

 

[PlacidCasual]

Maybe, just maybe, what the CEO does can often be of little consequence because most of life is just complete and utter blind luck.

Maybe you're right, personally I consider that option an outlier, but maybe.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

All companies are dysfunctional at their core because they're run by people who aren't perfect.

Most companies CEO and managers need their hand holding by the staff below.

 

[i-bert]

anti-woke is pretty much a definition of far right. Anti-woke stands or promoting racism, antisemitism, homophobia, sexism and social injustice.

Everyone should strive to be woke.

I think you spelt Islam wrong.

 

[D.P.]

@Flibster I have such a hard time believing that as a fair representation of the most successful rocket compeny on the planet. That sounds like a disfunctional one, not one that has revolutionised the entire industry. I genuinely doubt a company could be so successful and so revolutionary in a mature industry if the CEO was so incapable. For said CEO to also be simultaneously the head of the Worlds most valuable* car company in anther mature industry stretches credibility.

One has to ask whether the intern is just writing some wish fulfillment there.

*I wouldn't challenge any argument that Tesla is horrendously over valued by the way.

Except this is exactly how Musk actually is. There are loads of testimonials reporting the same thing.

Musk's companies have largely been successful despite Musk rather than because of his ability . Musk provided capital and didn't mind taking risks. He paid top salaires for great engineers to work on projects they were excited about like space exploration and self driving electric cars. The companies solved engineering challenges with a brute force approach of investment in good engineers. Musk himself didn't contribute to the engineering, and often would get in the way.

We can all be thankful that Musk wanted to invest in electric cars, solar panels, batteries and space craft. Je has helped push these industries, but it is not from some breakthrough insights from a genius, but by providing financing.

This is why he is failing so bad at twitter because there isn't an engineering challenge (twitter engineers already solved the scalability challenge). Running Twiiter involves complex social, political, legal and economic factors. He and bine od his handlers have any clue about these aspects, and he has fired all the critical staff that work on these problems.